Nick,

I asked:

I have given evidence in both this thread and the one about the false teaching that Jesus’ righteousness is imputed to believers that the Holy Spirit gave gifts both in in the old covenant and the new covenant. Do you agree?

You failed to answer it. Why are you afraid to answer this question?

If you are not then answer it and s…[Read more]

Nick,

We are discussing the difference of what we find in Scripture but you are not holding up your part of the conversation. Instead you chose to accuse me of wrongdoing when you were the one that performed the action you accused me of.

I have given evidence in both this thread and the one about the false teaching that Jesus’ righteousness is…[Read more]

t8,

I am convinced that living creatures are “clocks” and God is the “Clockmaker”.

I do not know if I could figure out that there was but one God from nature itself.

I do know Scripture teaches us there is but one God that is one person and individuals have to abandon inspired logic to believe that there one God that is two or three…[Read more]

Terrarica,

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God.

It has two main purposes under the new covenant one as the giver of gifts and the other as the Advocate.

Some never receive the Spirit in its role of gift giver.

The miraculous gifts spoke of in the early church are rare or non-existent today.

The Advocate is still given to those that follow…[Read more]

Nick,

I have read the “human words” of Acts and I told you what I have found. If you know of more evidence to bolster you claim then please present it. The word Paul from Romans 6 and Colossians as well as those of Peter lead me to believe that believers are born again when immersed in the name of Jesus Christ.

Nick,

You are tossing a red herring into the conversation as I accept and welcome God being in charge and there has been no evidence otherwise.

On the other hand you have not found support for the claim that logic is either carnal or even human in nature within Scripture.

You can as soon claim that words themselves are human and carnal with as…[Read more]

Nick,

Does it sound better to claim that Jesus uses human reason than to claim he uses carnal logic?

In either case you are adding to Scripture.

Nick,

I agree that laying on of hands is an elementary part of the faith but that does not mean that it is the way the Holy Spirit and the gifts thereof are commonly given that way.

Scripture tells us very little of how the Holy Spirit and the gifts thereof are given.

Nick,

I only know of two examples where Acts speaks of the Holy Spirit being given by the laying on of hands (Acts 8:18 and Acts 19:6) and of those the gifts were said to be given when it happened as well (Acts 19:6).

That means that in Scripture the Spirit it said to be received more in situation when the laying on of hands did not occur.

Do…[Read more]

Nick,

What grounds do you have the Holy Spirit was usually given by the laying on of hands?

When it was given to the Seventy Elders there was no laying on of hands.

When it was given to King Saul there was no laying on of hands.

When the Eleven and other student-followers of Jesus received it there was no laying on of hands.

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Nick,

I judge by fruit.

When you know that Jesus uses logic and you keep on calling it carnal it is clear that fruit of yours is not good.

Any reasonable person can see it.

You have been blinded to it and I assume it is by what you were taught.

Nick,

Hi KW,

So PRESUMING TO KNOW the mind of an anointed one you ADD a PRIVATE INTERPRETATION?

Wisdom seems to be lacking.

You are the one that said:

If Philip believed that they would receive the Spirit AUTOMATICALLY after baptism then the follow up for laying on of hands would not have been arranged.

Do you agree?

I said:

If he…

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Nick,

Hi KW,

So PRESUMING TO KNOW the mind of an anointed one you ADD a PRIVATE INTERPRETATION?

Wisdom seems to be lacking.

You are the one that said:

If Philip believed that they would receive the Spirit AUTOMATICALLY after baptism then the follow up for laying on of hands would not have been arranged.

Do you agree?

I said:

If he…

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Nick,

Hi KW,

If Philip believed that they would receive the Spirit AUTOMATICALLY after baptism then the follow up for laying on of hands would not have been arranged.

Do you agree?

If he believed that then he would have laid hands on them himself. Instead he was satisfied they had received the word of God and then to wait until other…[Read more]

Nick,

Hi KW,

You continue to confine the wisdom of God within the confines of carnal logic.

Such is folly.

You are accusing Jesus of using carnal logic because he used logic.

Is that wise?

Nick,

Laying hands did not always give the Holy Spirit. (Acts 6:6, Acts 13:3, and Acts 28:8)

Acts 19:6 is when the 12 student-adherents of John the Baptist spoke in tongues and prophesied when Paul laid his hands on them and the Holy Spirit came on them.

For all I know that could be the only time it happened.

Prove that the Eleven plus Paul…[Read more]

Nick,

It is the Holy Spirit that gives gifts.

Numbers 11:25Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

25 And the Lord came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease.

1…

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Nick,

Do you suggest Philip was not led by the Spirit?

Philip was led by the Spirit not to lay hands on the Samaritans even though they received the Word of God.

There is no evidence Philip was led by the Spirit to lay hands on the Ethiopian Eunuch.

There is evidence he was led by the Spirit to immerse both the Samaritans and the Ethiopian…[Read more]

Nick,

Hi KW,

God did not glorify human wisdom through Paul.

Your lack of understanding shows or you would not accuse those approved of God of using human knowledge.

Jesus used both implication and logical reasoning to make the point that there is a Resurrection of the dead. Since his wisdom is not human wisdom it follows implications and…[Read more]

Terrarica,

1 Peter 1:10Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

Jeremiah 31:31-34Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of…

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