Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 21 2006,05:47)Hi kenrch, Ponder awile on Rev 3 14. Revelation contains quotes from the four contributors and you need to discern who is speaking when.Rev 3:14 And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God: The Beginning…[Read more]

Hey Nick,Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John; Rev 3:13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches. Rev 3:14 And to the angel of the church in Laodicea…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 21 2006,04:52)Hi kenrch, The only begotten Son was sent into the world. Ps 2 seems to describe his begettal, is quoted in Heb 1 and that is before he was “brought into the world”Ah! now we are getting somewhere. Now I can seeHeb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 21 2006,04:39)Hi kenrch, There are no scriptures that say Jesus was created.Are there any scriptures that say Jesus was begotten before creation? I don't guess there is I believe I asked this question before.Again if there are none then I don't see your point.Rev. 3:14 says The Beginning of Creation. Where does it say…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 21 2006,04:34)Hi Kenrch, He is the one through whom all God's creation was brought into being. He was the starting point for creation.Scripture says that He is the “beginning of creation”.G746ἀρχήarchēar-khay'From G756; (properly abstract) a commencement, or (concrete) chief (in various applications of order, time,…[Read more]

Unless anyone has anything then I guess I'll stick with scripture.Rev 3:14 And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the “beginning of the creation of God”:

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 21 2006,04:27)Hi kenrch”Scripture is not true?” Scripture is always true but you can read into it more than it actually says.Soooooooo how are you reading it? Do I have to pull teeth?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 21 2006,04:09)Hi kenrch, Because that is not what it says and as every fact is confirmed in the mouth of two or three witnessesand there are no other verses suggesting this then it is unlikely to be true.Scripture is not true?  What scripture says that Jesus was “begotten” before creation?Hey I'm opened! How about you…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 21 2006,03:47)Hi kenrch, How is not exactly revealed but nowhere does it say Jesus was created. All creation came through him,it does say, so that excludes him being created.Who is the beginning of creation (Rev. 3:14)?  Are you are saying that doesn't mean that Jesus wasn't created.  How so?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 21 2006,03:28)idigdeepdude.LOL!!

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 21 2006,01:51)Hi Oxy, Is Jesus the only begotten Son of God who was sent into the world or did he only become the Son when he was conceived in Mary?How was Jesus begotten before the World or creation for that matter? Did the Father beget Jesus in Himself? Wasn't Jesus the first created spirit being?Rev 3:14 And to the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 21 2006,02:47)Hi k, first you say”In Genisis God calls the earth “HEAVENHeaven is also the earth according to God” Then”Oh ok so the the first heaven is the dirt of the earth?  Is the atmosphere the earth?”which all seems on the surface to be to be”a bunch of bunk”.Nick this was Michaeltheearchangel's ouote not mine:”In…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 21 2006,00:41)Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 21 2006,00:35)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 21 2006,00:26)Hi kenrch”In Genisis God calls the earth “HEAVENHeaven is also the earth according to GodGen 1:1  In the beginning God created the ” heavens 'and' the earth”??.Oh ok so the the first heaven is the dirt of the earth?  Is the a…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 21 2006,00:26)Hi kenrch”In Genisis God calls the earth “HEAVENHeaven is also the earth according to GodGen 1:1  In the beginning God created the ” heavens 'and' the earth”??.Oh ok so the the first heaven is the dirt of the earth? Is the atmosphere the earth?It doesn't matter any way you cut it the book of Enoch is a…[Read more]

Quote (MichaelTheeArchAngel @ Aug. 20 2006,22:39)Enoch:6 1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto 2 them beautiful and comely daughters. ” And the angels, the children of the heaven”, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ Aug. 20 2006,07:14)Quote (Cubes @ Aug. 20 2006,02:31)Quote (Oxy @ Aug. 20 2006,03:04)Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 19 2006,12:02)The bible is complete there are no other instructions left to give.  So the Spirit should agree with scripture.  I don't remember (other than a word of knowledge) the Spirit saying anything contrary to the Word.Hi K…[Read more]

Quote (seminarian @ Aug. 20 2006,04:35)My 2 cents?In Jesus' time, the Gospel accounts are full of demons inhabiting humans and giving them super human strength such as the man who approached Jesus after having broken his chains.This is well after Noah's day when angels DID apparently have the power to form human bodies for themselves in order to…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ Aug. 20 2006,12:27)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 20 2006,07:30)Hi kenrch,you say”Rev 3:14  And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God:” means Jesus was the first created. But does it? Could it mean that creation started through…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 19 2006,13:38)Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 20 2006,08:07)Ok I'm going to need a toothbrush the next time I go to the grocery.  T8, when you say electric do you mean battery powered?  I had a sonic but for some reason (I don't remember why) I didn't like it.  I think I would prefer a brush that rotates rather than moves up and down at wo…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ Aug. 19 2006,22:04)Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 19 2006,12:02)The bible is complete there are no other instructions left to give.  So the Spirit should agree with scripture.  I don't remember (other than a word of knowledge) the Spirit saying anything contrary to the Word.Hi KenrchEven in a word of knowledge, what the Spirit says should l…[Read more]