Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 09 2006,15:23)Those who had not worshipped the beast, the remnant, angels, and I believe that during the millenium there will be people capable of errors and needing judges possibly as in established by Moses.What are the 144k to do?  Only those who are perfect will judge those who are not.You cannot take a splinter out…[Read more]

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with…[Read more]

St. Nick,Ephesians 1:1Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, AND TO THE FAITHFUL IN CHRIST JESUS:I see two groups in this scripture. The saints AND the “faithful” in Christ Jesus. I'm sure in the first century church that there were many saints their had to be to spread the gospel. But the…[Read more]

St. Nick,All the letters to the churches may have been addressed to the “saints” in charge, or did you ever think of that.Out of all the saved people who are the elect? Who are the people of the saints? Are the 144k over the saints or are they the saints?I'm not mocking anyone you said you are a saint so you should have the title correct? But I…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 08 2006,06:14)Quote I'm not saying you or anyone else is not a saint but according to scripture I only know I'm not of the elect. –Kenrch.Hi Kenrch.  I haven't been giving proper time to all the threads.  I'm wondering if you could explain simply why you feel this, and why you believe (if I'm correct) that there are the h…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 07 2006,04:51)Hi Krench:I have already told you why I am a saint but whether or not I am one of the 144K or maybe even one on the 2 witnesses, I don't know, but whatever I am I am by the grace of God, and not because I obeyed the Law of Moses without sin.  Jesus did that for us.  As I said I am striving to obey him but I m…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 07 2006,23:45)Hi kenrch, I do not answer some questions till I have tried to blow away the smoke of misconceptions behind the questions. I believe I have been saved, and being saved, and will be saved and thus am amongst those God calls saints.Nick I'm as straight forward as can be, perhaps too straight forward Ther is…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 07 2006,17:22)Hi Kenrch, Does Christ live in you and work through you as a submitted vessel? He does through the sons of God.Nick I'm as much a son of God as anyone on earth but that doesn't mean I'm a saint!Doesn't seem like you are going to answer any of my questions Again!  I'll just take you as saying no you are not…[Read more]

Quote (Sultan @ Nov. 07 2006,12:51)Quote (the four horseman @ Nov. 04 2006,18:40)I don't agree with this at all. Being baptized in water doesn't have anything to do with salvation. But it does have everything to do with being obedient. Being baptized by water saves you no more then the baptism of the Holy Spirit baptism saves you. Lack of either…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 07 2006,06:41)Hi kenrch, You ask”And what is His will?” You should ask Him daily as He has a special role for you to undertake in Christ.Nick I asked and gave scriptural answers. His will for His saints are to sell everything give it to the poor pick up your cross and follow Jesus just like the 144k in Revelation chapter…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 07 2006,04:51)Hi Krench:I have already told you why I am a saint but whether or not I am one of the 144K or maybe even one on the 2 witnesses, I don't know, but whatever I am I am by the grace of God, and not because I obeyed the Law of Moses without sin.  Jesus did that for us.  As I said I am striving to obey him but I m…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 07 2006,01:04)Hi kenrch, All we have to find and do is the will of God. “My yoke is easy and my burden light”Are you of the elect? Are you one of the 144k? Have you followed the rules given to the young rich ruler?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 07 2006,01:04)Hi kenrch, All we have to find and do is the will of God. “My yoke is easy and my burden light”And what is His will?Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: “and come, follow me”. Have you done…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 07 2006,02:09)Hi Krench:I have answered your questions relative to “who are the people of the saints” by showing you that this was a mistranslation, and I showed you that the whole body of Christ are considered saints.And so, yes, I am a saint because I have been born again and I am striving to obey God by striving to obey the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 21 2006,18:26)Hi kenny,Those who serve God by baptising men into Christ do so without the knowledge of the heart of those they baptise. It is essential that men repent and plough the fields before the planting of the seed but God's servants are never sure how much of that information has been taken in and acted upon. Only…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 06 2006,21:56)Hi kenrch, We do not apply the catholic definition of a humanly perfect “saint” to scripture. Saints in scripture are those clean in God's eyes. They do not see themselves as perfect being very aware of their faults and inadequacies.Nick I take it you believe you are a saint, you may very well be but I doubt…[Read more]

Quote (the four horseman @ Nov. 06 2006,15:15)Thanx for the welcome.Nick, I liked your reply using Psalms 2. It is neat when you think that God gave birth to his son in the beginning and then the Son created all things by the will of the Father.Hi Kenrch. I believe that in the beginning, Jesus was born or begotten of God. Before anything God begat…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 06 2006,00:23)Hi Krench:My understanding is that the 144,000 are those who will be in authority in the church in this last day through whom the Lord will bring the church to maturity.  I have posted relative to this under the Jehovah Witness Church thread.  If you would like to read what I said.They, the 144,000, as well as t…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 05 2006,21:54)Hi Krench:I also feel that the KJV is over-all the best translation, but on occasion such as this one, I believe that this is a mis-translation.  I am not a Greek scholar, and so, I have to rely on the english translations that those who do know Greek have given us.  The saints are the whole body of Christ.  …[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Nov. 05 2006,14:53)Hi everyone:The KJV translates Daniel 7:27, “And the Kingdom and dominion and the greatness of the Kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the PEOPLE OF THE SAINTS OF THE MOST HIGH, whose Kingdom is an everlasting Kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him”.YLT translates this same verse, “And…[Read more]