I will be some day. As you will be. So what else is new?Seriously Nick, what can anyone offer the one who created all? He already has it all. Its not about what we can offer God, you've got the relationship all out of kilter.

There is nothing in iJn4:18 of the fear of punishment. Rather, it says fear involves punishment. And it uses “phobos” for fear, just like other verses that use “phobos” of God and Christ. So the logical conclusion is that (1) since there is no “phobos” in love, and we are told to “phobos” God, God must not be about love according to the bible (2)…[Read more]

So we can stop taking the other threads offtopic, Nick said elsewhereQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 14 2008,16:24)Hi Kj, So what if the worthless ones can gain eternal glory with Jesus and His God?Who is worthless? Do you get to be the judge of who is worthless?

Quote (david @ Mar. 14 2008,18:57)I would really like to keep this thread to only discussing the prophecies of the Hebrew scriptures and how they relate to Jesus.So which ones would you like to discuss?

Some religions thrive on guilt.

Compare1Jn 4:18 There is no fear {“phobos”} in love; but perfect love casts out fear {“phobos”}, because fear {“phobos”} involves punishment, and the one who fears {“phobeo”} is not perfected in love. Eph 5:21 and be subject to one another in the fear {“phobos”} of Christ. 2Co 7:15 His affection abounds all the more toward you, as he remembers…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 14 2008,13:54)Hi Kj,  Godly fear is not as men would regard fear.Heb1228Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:Besides, modern versions translate this more appropriately Heb 12:28 Therefore, since we receive a kingdom…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 14 2008,13:54)Hi Kj,  Godly fear is not as men would regard fear.Heb1228Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:Fear is fear. Use a different word if you want to convey a different thought.

Act 9:31  So the church throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samaria enjoyed peace, being built up; and going on in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit, it continued to increase. Act 13:16  Paul stood up, and motioning with his hand said, “Men of Israel, and you who fear God, listen: Act 13:26  “Brethren, sons of Ab…[Read more]

Quote (Cato @ Mar. 14 2008,05:45)Today many Christians view God as an omiscient, omnipotent, benificent, being that is beyond human defintion or understanding.  In the Old Testament, however, God, is limited, speaks directly to people, has very human emotions, plays favorites with certain ethnic groups, desires sacrifices, and even makes mistakes…[Read more]

From The Pagan heritage of HumanityAnthropology and Pagan tradition tell us that this way of life continued for thousands and thousands of years, but with the advent of animal and plant domestication, everything began to change.  Man began to look to the cycle of the Sun to guide him through his agricultural year and it is from this era that most…[Read more]

Einstein said (from http://www.vohuman.org/Article/A%20Friendly%20Universe.htm“With primitive man it is above all fear that evokes religious notions — fear of hunger, wild beasts, sickness, death.  Since at this state of existence understanding of causal connections is usually poorly developed, the human mind creates illusory beings more or less…[Read more]

Here's another on fear Mandy, from The Paradox of the Freedom to Choose and the Inevitable EndIt is equally apparent that evil cannot be defeated by punishment.  The fear of punishment may induce a person to hide his evil inclinations, and not express them in word or action. But the inclination towards evil would still exist in his mind.…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 13 2008,15:26)Hi KJ, Those gifts come through Life in Christ Jesus, the Son of God.You cannot offer anyone anything.I am not here to offer anything beyond my opinion and beliefs. You can take or leave either (I already know which in your case).But to say that the gifts of love, peace, joy, etc. come through Jesus is…[Read more]

Quote (Mandy @ Mar. 13 2008,22:54)Ya, I pretty much fear God, I'm sorry.  It's a reverent fear.  Mainly because I don't know everything and I could be severely wrong on some conclusions that I come to.  I definitely want forgiveness and blessings in my life.  And some fear in a parent/child relationship is healthy.  It keeps the child on trac…[Read more]

I don't know why, but I've never felt right hearing people call the Catholic church the “whore”. How is the Catholic church any more steeped in dogma than any other branch of Christianity?

Nick,This is going to be harsh, but so be it. Do you have a daughter? If a man raped your daughter, would it be OK for the rapist to come to you, pay you 50 shekels (or the NZ modern equivalent) and then marry your daughter?Remember, the bible says God never changes. Therefore, He doesn't change His mind about justice. The bible says this was…[Read more]

Let me ask you Nick: why do you think God gave the Law if the Law could not be kept?

“Fulfilled” does not equal “abolished”.

Then why did he tell Nicodemus — a Jewish leader and keeper of the Law (Torah) that he must be “born again”? You are offering conflicting situations here Nick. It can't be one or the other.Why do Christians witness to Jews if they are under the Law then?