Quote (david @ Mar. 27 2008,21:04)The two letters to Timothy have been accepted from the earliest times as written by Paul and as being part of the inspired Scriptures. The early Christian writers, including Polycarp, Ignatius, and Clement of Rome, all agree on this, and the letters are included in the catalogs of the first few centuries as…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2008,20:38)Hi KJ, But you despise Paul. Why fuss about such detail if so?Who said I despise Paul? Just your assumption. Paul is long dead, how can I despise dead man? Paul was enamored with starting a new religion and he succeeded. Hooray for him.

No, but it is telling of when a book was recognized as being worth mentioning. All of Paul's authentic works were mentioned well before 1&2 Timothy. Plus, the style was different from Paul's authentic works.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2008,20:20)Hi KJ, Marcion wrote the first canon apparently.http://www.marcion.info/Others disagree with his choice of books.So tell me Nick, who mentioned 1&2 Timothy before Marcion then?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2008,20:01)Hi KJ, You mean this Marcion? WikipediaMarcionism is the dualist belief system that originates in the teachings of Marcion of Sinope at Rome around the year 144. Marcion affirmed Jesus Christ as the savior sent by God and Paul as his chief apostle, but he rejected the Hebrew Bible and Yahweh. Marcionists…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Mar. 27 2008,20:00)Quote But in return, can I not say the same about yours? Either way uses the “argument from silence” which allows interpretation either way. You faith requires it to be your way when I see it differently.KEJONN,You were trying to prove the Bible in error or find fault with it. But in reality there is no fault, or…[Read more]

Well either you agree with me or that is nervous laughter .

Wow, just because someone posing as Paul stated this, it must be true! In any case, does the verse say that all scripture is 100% true and infallible? No, it says it is inspired and profitable. From http://earlychristianwritings.com/2timothy.html2 Timothy is one of the three epistles known collectively as the pastorals (1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, and…[Read more]

And BTW, Mrs., you should know after all this time that this site, and 99% of Internet forums, basically survive on the different ideas of the members. That is, their purpose is for debate. If you want fellowship and for people to sit around the campfire and sing Kumbaya, it is better to do so in person with friends and loved ones. I would never…[Read more]

Why? I think attitudes such as this just show that you have something to fear from an atheist — or someone like me who feels the Abrahamic view of God is flawed. If your faith is strong, then you should have nothing to fear from an atheist or someone who sees God differently. Your faith, and the spirit of God you say you have, should be able to…[Read more]

Nah, just higher than the bible's.

Quote (david @ Mar. 27 2008,18:03)Quote That's another problem with the bible. You're left to assume so much to make it feasible. So while you surmise they did, I can also say they didn't. Since it is not “written” its all up in the air.EXACTLY KEJONN. SO, “YOUR” assumptions mean nothing. And THEREFORE, this apparent contradiction is based on…[Read more]

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Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2008,22:32)Hi Kejonn,You wrote:I think that people want to force Jesus into fitting the role of the Jewish messiah when it is quite apparent that he does not meet the requirements.I write:What topic on this message board spells this out about Him not meeting the requirements? Would you mind showing me so that I can read…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2008,03:24)Hi KJ, We are facilitators trying to steer the arguments into some sort of forum for useful learning. We do learn too from the responses from unbelievers how they think truth is vulnerable. But of course it is eternal and ever inspired by and infused with the Spirit of our God.Nick,Seriously, get real. 95%…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 27 2008,03:00)Hi KJ, Your imagination runs wild.But you are helpless to oppose God and wiser to obey.You need to accept He is greater than you and your future is according to your response to His call.Nick,I hope by now that you might be getting the idea that your responses to many one here are turning into some sort of…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Mar. 26 2008,23:59)Quote They were told they would die if they ate of the tree yet they had not seen death so they did not know what it was. How do you know they had not seen death? We know they hadn't seen human death.That's another problem with the bible. You're left to assume so much to make it feasible. So while you surmise…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 26 2008,21:31)Hi Kj,Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Back to go and do not collect $200Just the beginning?So you DO view what bible God is doing to His creation as a game for Him, since you brought up the Monopoly thing. I can't imagine how it feels to be a pawn in the cosmic game of life, with God taking the white…[Read more]

Fear? No, why, should I? Do you view God as someone who flaunts His destructive power so you will cower to Him? What kind of God do you know Nick?The disconnect is still there. Pointing out the various flaws of the bible only shows how very human its writers were. A perfect loving God could never be held responsible for such a flawed work.

Perhaps then, Jesus was not sent to redeem man, but to redeem the biblical God. He was the one who goofed according to the bible.