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    Oh, OK. Always some excuse to reason away the lack of modern day miracles. So God is powerless without faith?

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    kejonn replied to the topic magic.. in the forum Faith 16 years, 7 months ago

    Weird, selfish and disturbed people have been around since the first man. The only reason there are more today is that there are more people today :cool:.I'm sorry you are so opposed to science. You've made over 23k posts so you sure like to take advantage of that science.Why aren't you Amish?

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    Any proof of any of this beyond a book? After all, writing something doesn't mean it is true. And why only then? No one heals people today.

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    Modern medicine for one. People live longer because of the various discoveries. Plus, people aren't as superstitious any more.

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    kejonn replied to the topic magic.. in the forum Faith 16 years, 7 months ago

    Because I don't think that is wise. :;):

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2008,17:07)Hi TJ,They distract from progress but we learn from them too.Sad the irrepressible vanity of men.What progress? You are still stuck in the 1st century. :;):

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    kejonn replied to the topic magic.. in the forum Faith 16 years, 7 months ago

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2008,16:12)Hi KJ, So he was not a liar.Men added miracles to his life story. Why then are you here if you have no faith? Reasons I am here:(1) I think rigid fundamentalism in any Abrahamic religion is detrimental to the advancement of society and science(2) I don't watch TV beyond an hour or two a week(3) I have my…[Read more]

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    kejonn replied to the topic magic.. in the forum Faith 16 years, 7 months ago

    Quote (Not3in1 @ April 02 2008,14:17)Quote (kejonn @ April 02 2008,20:54)Quote (Not3in1 @ April 02 2008,00:40)One definition of “magic”:  human control of supernatural agencies or the forces of nature.Jesus had access to the supernatural through the Father.  The Father worked through Jesus, but I'm not so sure we could stretch that to say Jesus h…[Read more]

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    kejonn replied to the topic magic.. in the forum Faith 16 years, 7 months ago

    Quote (Not3in1 @ April 02 2008,14:14)Quote (kejonn @ April 02 2008,21:25)Quote (Not3in1 @ April 02 2008,00:40)One definition of “magic”:  human control of supernatural agencies or the forces of nature.Jesus had access to the supernatural through the Father.  The Father worked through Jesus, but I'm not so sure we could stretch that to say Jesus h…[Read more]

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    Who cares about ants? Are you saying that we are like ants to God? Just some irritating pest to be stepped on? You've really got some whacked out views of God.

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    Hey, it was men who recorded the bible man. After all, could this come from God?Exo 21:20 “If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished. Exo 21:21 “If, however, he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property. Basically this states that slaves are not of…[Read more]

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    kejonn replied to the topic magic.. in the forum Faith 16 years, 7 months ago

    Tell you what Nick. Grab any child off the street and read Joshua to him/her. I can supply you a list of other passages to read to them as well. Try Lev 20 and Exo 21. Let me know how it turns out.

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    kejonn replied to the topic magic.. in the forum Faith 16 years, 7 months ago

    Yes, and children believe in Santa and the Easter Bunny too. Most have imaginary friends. So its less about faith and more about impressionable minds.

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2008,13:07)Hi Samuel, Nice? Toughen up dude. You are more likely to hear the hounds of hell baying for your blood.You mean Cerberus? I didn't know you believed in Greek mythology Nick. Is it written?

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2008,12:39)Hi KJ, Why? Who knows?Did it happen? Yes. It is written.In a book by several anonymous authors that has been edited many times over. Overwhelming evidence shows that there were several different versions of the Pentateuch in existance. And we all know there were many more books written about Jesus that…[Read more]

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    kejonn replied to the topic magic.. in the forum Faith 16 years, 7 months ago

    Where are such revelations? In a book. I can pick up tons of books that speak of miracles and gods. My revelation of God is found all around me. He gave me intelligence and reason, I don't plan to shut them down and waste such a gift.

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    As opposed to faith in a god of ancient Jewish design? The one I place my faith in doesn't have all of that blood on His hands. He certainly didn't make so many mistakes that He had to have a demi-god son die.

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    Quote (Stu @ April 02 2008,06:45)Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 02 2008,14:24)Hi Kj, So according to you If they are similar someone has copied.If the differ someone is lying.That is facile.Is it all divine-inspired by an omniscient god? How can you tell?StuartCause Paul said so!Jesus loves meThis I knowFor the bible tells me so!Ya know, I'm glad I…[Read more]

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    Another point to ponder: cuneiform was used by at least three people's that could have been in contact with the Israelites. In fact, the bible says that Moses was a prince of Egypt so he would have been exposed to the use of cuneiform.So why did the Israelites not use cuneiform to record things? Why is most of the history found in a book that has…[Read more]

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    I'm curious, but I've always wondered at this verse in the bible:Exo 4:21 The LORD said to Moses, “When you go back to Egypt see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders which I have put in your power; but I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go. Why would God purposely manipulate someone to the point where He must…[Read more]

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