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    kejonn replied to the topic Deserving of hell? in the forum Faith 16 years, 6 months ago

    Quote (942767 @ April 28 2008,21:12)Quote (kejonn @ April 29 2008,12:07)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ April 28 2008,16:34)Thanks again for your attempt to answer my question. I wish that I could say your answer has been helpful, but I can't. I have heard the gospel message before – many, many times before – so I am not in need of a re-education on that…[Read more]

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    Quote (942767 @ April 28 2008,17:35)Hi KJ;I said that I did not intend to answer any more of your posts, but I would really like to do what I can to answer your questions as best that I can by giving you my understanding.You ask:Quote Butting in…but when is Yahweh holding wicked people accountable, in the afterlife? In the meantime, does he do…[Read more]

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    Quote (david @ April 28 2008,15:45)Quote The Bible is a combination of only 66 books, with isolated incidents spanning 1000s of years. How does that even compare to the millions possibly billions of incidents of hideous crimes committed on humanity while God sits in the heavens watching and does nothing about it? –WJMy comments to some of these…[Read more]

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    Quote (david @ April 28 2008,15:39)It is his earth, and he has every right to decide who lives on it.That he has chosen not to make us like robots, I think is a good thing.That he will remove those who are foolish enough to disregard their very maker is also the only just thing that can be done–for those who actually love God.That's outrageous.…[Read more]

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    kejonn replied to the topic Deserving of hell? in the forum Faith 16 years, 6 months ago

    Quote (WhatIsTrue @ April 28 2008,16:34)Thanks again for your attempt to answer my question. I wish that I could say your answer has been helpful, but I can't. I have heard the gospel message before – many, many times before – so I am not in need of a re-education on that matter. I am sepcifically interested in the very narrow question of…[Read more]

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    kejonn replied to the topic The Too Hard Basket in the forum Faith 16 years, 6 months ago

    Quote (david @ April 28 2008,15:58)Quote David,Colter tells us to look at the Urantia papers, they are very detailed, no vague allegories or symbolism. Your defense of the Genesis creation story would apply to them as well. So what is the difference?Colter, I've never read them. Would you mind quoting them.Now you've really done it :laugh:.

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    Quote (theodorej @ April 28 2008,07:26)Greetings WJ….I have noticed your focus on the brutality of mankind ,specifically the raping and murdering of children….What I fail to see is what you expect God to do,when the human race as a whole has taken his instruction book on how to live a peacefull,productive,happy life and cast it aside….And…[Read more]

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    Quote (942767 @ April 27 2008,17:00)Quote (Not3in1 @ April 28 2008,09:43)Bro 94,I just had a pretty long post where I quoted you and answered you, but I pushed the wrong button and it got erased. So be it. But with each one of your teachings I am wanting to follow this God of the bible less and less.I can see that God causes killing and…[Read more]

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    Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 26 2008,20:53)I like the Amplified Version. What's wrong with it kejonn?From http://www.greatcom.org/resources/reasons_skeptics/ch_10/default.htmFurthermore, The Amplified Bible suffers from the same problems as paraphrases: It is highly interpretive. The theological bias of the amplifier cannot help but show through when…[Read more]

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    Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 26 2008,20:50)Quote (kejonn @ April 27 2008,13:44)The Amplified is one version I stayed away from even when I was a die-hard trinitarian. The fact that you use it to make your (erroneous) point is quite telling.Telling of what? Did you prefer to use the Apostles, DRB, Geneva, JPS or Judaica Press?!? Not exactly household…[Read more]

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 26 2008,23:32)My point is their proposed God is no different than the God of the OT, if God just sits in the heavens and does nothing when he has the power to.Just “butting in” because of this statement. The only record we have of Yahweh getting involved is the OT. Why is he not getting involved like he did in the…[Read more]

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 26 2008,23:10)Quote Really, So then when a pedophile rapes and murders a dozen children and gets caught and is out on the street in a few years then he got his just reward?Quote (kejonn @ April 27 2008,12:36)What will Yahweh do? What if the pedophile accepts Jesus? Will he then get a free ticket to the new earth…[Read more]

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    Quote (Is 1:18 @ April 26 2008,20:35)Quote (Stu @ April 25 2008,21:56)Does it really say “young boys “?StuartYes, Stuart, it does. Here, read for yourself…http://www.biblegateway.com/passage….ion=45;The Amplified is one version I stayed away from even when I was a die-hard trinitarian. The fact that you use it to make your (erroneous) point…[Read more]

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 26 2008,16:28)Quote (kejonn @ April 26 2008,00:29)Quote (Cato @ April 25 2008,06:59)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 25 2008,19:15)Incidentally, how is this different than what Kejonn, Cato, and others promote? They essentially subscribe to believing in God for positive reasons, like wonder, gratitude, or love,…[Read more]

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    kejonn replied to the topic Deserving of hell? in the forum Faith 16 years, 6 months ago

    Regardless of any explanation, please show me a single parable that uses totally false circumstances. That is, while they may be “stories”, all elements of them are possible. Extend that to the “Rich man and Lazarus”. What part becomes impossible?

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    kejonn replied to the topic Deserving of hell? in the forum Faith 16 years, 6 months ago

    Quote (david @ April 25 2008,14:16)Anyway….don't feel like you'll read this, so whatever.You are so right. All of that in one 9-10 wide column is extremely unreadable. Its amazing just how much work one puts into a passage that is only a handful of verses long. I suppose I can find counter explanations every bit as long and tedious as this one.…[Read more]

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    Quote (Cato @ April 25 2008,06:59)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 25 2008,19:15)Quote (WhatIsTrue @ April 25 2008,02:11)Incidentally, how is this different than what Kejonn, Cato, and others promote? They essentially subscribe to believing in God for positive reasons, like wonder, gratitude, or love, whereas Christians are often warning…[Read more]

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    kejonn replied to the topic Deserving of hell? in the forum Faith 16 years, 6 months ago

    Quote (david @ April 23 2008,19:56)Quote Many have been saying all along that much of current Christianity was influenced by older ideas. Yes, the most common false religious beliefs come from babylon–immortal soul, hell, trinity, etc. The beliefs that most religions share had this common source.That is why the Bible calls false religion…[Read more]

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 25 2008,02:03)Quote (Stu @ April 25 2008,18:54)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 25 2008,17:06)Sure, but we are not talking about remission. I am talking about tumors disappearing with no sign of cancer left anywhere. Zilch. Gone. :)That's what kejonn and I mean too. Not remission, complete disappearance of the tumour…[Read more]

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    Quote (david @ April 25 2008,00:47)Quote Sorry IS, but the Hebrew scriptures were written to Hebrew people, not Christians. Christians just hijacked them, retranslated, and reinterpreted for their own purposes. Isaiah 45:7 is a thorn in the fundamentalist Christian's side. Perhaps the thorn Paul had was that the OT was still in existence? Sorry…[Read more]

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