Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 15 2007,10:19)Quote (kejonn @ July 15 2007,06:54)Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 14 2007,09:48)Kejohn,Which of the early church Fathers has a christology that neatly aligns with yours?The ones that penned the words I read in the Bible. I don't care about the rest of them. With the recent statements made by the Pope, Roman Catholicism…[Read more]

michaels,If we separate ourself to the extent you wish, then we will never be able to reach others. If you faith is not strong, I can see why you would not want to test what you know against what man tries to say. In that case, I would recommend that you merely avoid the forum on this subject. As your faith grows, you can take a peek and see if…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 15 2007,06:47)KejonnI simply said the Trinity doctrine was written by early Church Fathers.Yes, and no. Yes, they had some elements, but no, they did not put it all together.Quote I dont claim Ignatius writtings to be scripture. However his writtings have some meaning because he was a disciple of the beloved John!…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 14 2007,09:48)Kejohn,Which of the early church Fathers has a christology that neatly aligns with yours?The ones that penned the words I read in the Bible. I don't care about the rest of them. With the recent statements made by the Pope, Roman Catholicism is what it is: man-made mess.

Ken,We all have our beliefs. I too believed in the Trinity but am almost to the point of disbelief of it. I still hold on to it in some small way because 20 years is hard to get over. Plus, the human side of me wants fellowship with others and when you disbelieve the Trinity and people know it, many will break fellowship with you. I know we should…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2007,11:36)Hi KJ,So as the Jews followed God so did Christ. So he was just like any other Jew. We know he was just like us because scripture says so.Heb 2″16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. 17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 14 2007,06:18)KejonnYou say…Quote That way, Christianity was a monotheistic religion, therefore “superior” to all of the pagan polytheistic religions. Only the truly gullible can swallow such fallaciousness.Isnt Monotheistic Christianity “superior” to all of the pagan “Polytheistic” religions?I can understand this.…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 14 2007,06:09)KejonnYou say…Quote My eyes had been closed for 20 years. They have been opened for the first time just recently. I removed the man-made glasses that distorted the scriptural evidence before me.Its really hard for me to understand how that a born again, spirit filled, child of God could walk with…[Read more]

Quote (charity @ July 14 2007,12:34)If you disliked Martian story, please refrain also from reading this post?Charity, That too .

WJ,Actually, I did read the first 89 pages of the Trinity thread and then started participating. In those first 89 pages, I don't recall anyone really answering the questions I posed in this thread. In fact, I've yet to see a Trinitarian define what they feel the Trinity is on this board. Not once. There's a whole lot of back and forth about…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 13 2007,18:57)kejohnStudy history!You statement is untrue!The trinity was preached by many of the early Fathers.Ignatius a disciple of the beloved Apostle John wrote…Estimated Range of Dating: 105-115 C.E. The Epistle of Ignatius to the Ephesians Being blessed in the greatness and fulness of God the Father, and…[Read more]

Nick,The Jews followed YHWH (sometimes anyways ). Can you get any more advantageous than that? Let me ask you then, why would Yeshua need to be born of a virgin, of the Father and Mary, if he ended up just like the rest of us? Just so he could be called “Son of God”? There is Isaiah 7:14, but God could have accomplished this feat outside of the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 13 2007,19:11)Quote (kejonn @ July 13 2007,10:34)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 13 2007,06:09)KeronnIsa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of…[Read more]

CO,Quite simple, and I'm sure you can remember saying it without me finding it. You basically assert that the Gospels were for the Jews, and Pauls letters were for the Gentiles. You state that Paul “completed” the Gospel. I believe that he did no such thing, but merely emphasized it in a way that non-Jews could understand since they had not lived…[Read more]

Nick,Nothing about him being supernatural. I can't recall that I asserted that he was. Unless you think that the ability to completely resist sin is supernatural. But there should some reason for this because we know no human can completely resist sin. Yet, only one human was born of the Holy Spirit. There's where my thought lies; he was able to…[Read more]

Nick,OK, we'll get that part settled: no miracles until after the baptism. . I agreed with that some posts back but failed to make it clear.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2007,17:17)Quote (kejonn @ July 13 2007,17:02)Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2007,15:09)Hi KJ,Was Adam perfect?God said His creation was “very good” and there is a difference.Jesus was the son of the imperfect Adam.C'mon Nick. You just said that what God created was not less than perfect. By saying this, you are saying…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2007,15:46)Hi KJ, You say”Sometimes you have to reason what is being said. Bildad said “How then can a man be just with God? Or how can he be clean who is born of woman?”. This has nothing to do with the woman other than you can't be born of a man! This was just a statement that says all people are born unclean in the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2007,15:36)Hi KJ, You say”Yes, the power was from on high, but he had the advantage of being the only one who could contain the fullness of God without the limits that any other human body could.” I would have thought this was by the choice of God, not his nature.Jn 3″ 34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2007,15:34)Hi KJ,You say”And as far as being “Superman”, what others could perform the miracles he did?” Like raising the dead?Peter, Paul and Elisha did these same things by the same anointing.No doubt. I hope you don't think I'm saying that Yeshua did anything without the power of his Father. I am certainly NOT…[Read more]