Quote (Cult Buster @ July 17 2007,10:21)Quote (Mr. Steve @ July 17 2007,14:09)Dear Cult Buster;Are saying that Jehovah is Jesus Christ? If yes, please read new testament again. He is the Son of God. If he is the Son of God, he cannot be God, too. Mr. SteveHi Mr Steve.The Son of God is God. The Bible says so.Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born,…[Read more]

Quote (Cult Buster @ July 17 2007,10:16)Psa 93:1 The LORD (Jehovah) reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD (Jehovah) is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved. Psa 93:2 Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting. Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem…[Read more]

Quote (Cult Buster @ July 17 2007,10:01)CompareJoe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD (Jehovah) shall be delivered: With Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be…[Read more]

Quote (Cult Buster @ July 17 2007,12:10)Hi t8. That is called putting the “twist” on scripture. I get this all the time from the JWs.Look again!1. The Spirit Himself (Romans 8:16; 8:26) 2. The Spirit of God (Romans 8:9; 8:14) 3. The Spirit of Christ (Romans 8:9) Zec 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their…[Read more]

Quote It does not matter what you think. See what the Bible says.It must matter. You think you are right, I hope I am . You show me where you think scripture says one thing, I either agree or attempt to show where you've made interpretive errors. Like now .Quote The Holy Spirit Is a Person, Not Just a ForceHe Does All the Things That…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ July 16 2007,19:04)I've never known a “puny” Carpenter, myself. Ha!Karen Carpenter was pretty puny before she died

Quote (Not3in1 @ July 17 2007,05:40)Quote (kejonn @ July 16 2007,20:05)Not well versed in Greek, but I find it interesting that “only begotten” is used for monogenes in the case of both Yeshua and Isaac. In other instances, the word “only” (Lk 7:12, 8:42) and “only child” (Lk 9:38).Now, we know Isaac was NOT Abraham's only child, but he was the…[Read more]

Not well versed in Greek, but I find it interesting that “only begotten” is used for monogenes in the case of both Yeshua and Isaac. In other instances, the word “only” (Lk 7:12, 8:42) and “only child” (Lk 9:38).Now, we know Isaac was NOT Abraham's only child, but he was the only child of both Abraham and Sarah. And he, like Yeshua, was a child of…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 16 2007,18:56)Hi KJ, The result is a MAN.The process is poorly understood.Mary was not cloned and neither was she a surrogate mother.But you don't seem to know the process either, because you are not forthcoming with an explanation.BTW, you did not answer my question about John 3. Did Yeshua have to be born again, just as…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 16 2007,18:38)Hi KJ, When does God ascribe sin to a child?I could ask you the same question. Yeshua often used children in his teachings but we do not know their age. Since we have not biblical reference any answer would be speculation. Did you know that the Christadelphians reject this: “Reject 22. That 'heathens,'…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 16 2007,18:37)Hi KJ, So Jesus was a man with SIDES?Wedo not have them and he was like us??The washing of the word makes some clean. Jn 153Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Ephesians 5:26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,Nick, Not clear cut discernible…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 09 2005,07:17)Hi, We know that Jesus, as a child, had to learn through the rod and suffering, obedience. Surely you jest? Was he not without sin? Is disobedience to one's parents not considered sin? Or are you suggesting that Yeshua was beaten for the sake of obedience even though he was not disobedient? I know this post…[Read more]

CO,Enjoy life. I hope it is truly the abundant life (John 10:10). Ooops, John 10:10 was written to the Jews, so I guess the abundant life is not yours to have. Enjoy a hollow life then .I will not engage you any further. You are only open to that which you have already decided is true. Any other post to you is time I will not regain.

Nick,I will leave any replies to this to the Pre-existence thread

Nick,Not if the sentient being existed before for eternity and then returned back to eternity in full restoration of all that was before. Then it becomes much less of a sacrifice. Even if we measure it our years, lets compare 33 years to 6000 of biblical time. It would be akin to use spending 144 days (for a life of 72 years) in a dramatically…[Read more]

Nick,The big difference comes in establishing in what form he existed before his humanity. If his first actual existence was on earth, then the sacrifice is real and a model for what we will have one day. He died for our sins and inherited eternal life for the action. We die to our sins and inherit eternal life. The symbolism of baptism reflects…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2007,20:10)Hi not3, BU doctrine strenuously works to hold that Jesus always was just a man and does all sorts of scriptural calisthenics to hold that position.I must admit that I'm confused by this statement made to Not3. Are you not the same Nick who has been bantering back and forth with me because you believed that…[Read more]

Not3,Of course, everyone is right in their own heart. Muslims think they are right. Christians think they are right. Atheists think they are right. Only God knows all truth, so we just have to keep digging for what we don't know.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 15 2007,08:04)Ignatius again, is a desciple of John and his writings are not disputed. He was a contemperary of Paul and the other Apostles. So I agree that his writtings didnt become cannonical, but they are significant just as other historical facts are.Significance does not equate to truth.Quote The implication…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 15 2007,17:03)Yeshua declared he was God in Rev 1:17, 2:9 and 22:13.Do you disagree with Him?Let's just visit those verses, shall we? Revelation 1:17 – When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. And He placed His right hand on me, saying, “Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last,Nope, no claim to be God. Just…[Read more]