kejonn replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 18 years, 8 months ago
Some more Ignatius writings that may interest you (excerpts):
Epistle to the Magnesians, Chapter VIII.—Caution against false doctrines. Be not deceived with strange doctrines, nor with old fables, which are unprofitable. For if we still live according to the Jewish law, we acknowledge that we have not received grace. For the divinest prophets l…
kejonn replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #2 in the forum Debates 18 years, 8 months ago
t8,Its a mantra by now. He thinks if he posts it enough, we'll start seeing “his truth”.Notice how he often puts “JWs” in his post. Methinks he has a disturbing obsession with Jehovah Witnesses.
kejonn replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #3 in the forum Debates 18 years, 8 months ago
Hehe, the stretches that Trinitarians have to take to “prove” their doctrine. Simple scripture does not teach it, so they have to imply meanings into scripture. This is “eisegesis” BTW.
Jhn 18:4 So Jesus, knowing all the things that were coming upon Him, went forth and said to them, “Whom do you seek?” Jhn 18:5 They answered Him, “Jesus the Na…
kejonn replied to the topic Trinity – Is 1:18's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 18 years, 8 months ago
Here ya go CB, just for you, using your “verses of warning”2Th 2:11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, – considering that 2 Thess. was written around 52-55 AD, and the Nicene Creed around 325 AD, Paul may have hit the nail on the head here.2Th 2:12 in order that they all may b…[Read more]
kejonn replied to the topic Trinity – Is 1:18's Proof Text #3 in the forum Debates 18 years, 8 months ago
Quote (Cult Buster @ July 18 2007,18:22)Quote (kejonn @ July 17 2007,17:05)Quote (Cult Buster @ July 17 2007,10:21)Quote (Mr. Steve @ July 17 2007,14:09)Dear Cult Buster;Are saying that Jehovah is Jesus Christ? If yes, please read new testament again. He is the Son of God. If he is the Son of God, he cannot be God, too. Mr. SteveHi Mr St…[Read more]
kejonn replied to the topic numerology in the Bible in the forum Exta-biblical Writings 18 years, 8 months ago
Is,No, not at all. There is a difference in that we know lambs were sacrificed to God, regardless of what pagans did. But just because God did things in threes or sevens, should we see something into it? What significance would it be for use to study such or lay stock in biblical numerology? Excerpts from the numerology entry in…[Read more]
kejonn replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 18 years, 8 months ago
Romans 8:16
DBY: The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are children of God.WBS: The Spirit itself testifieth with our spirit, that we are the children of God:KJV: The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Gee, I guess somewhere long the line someone decided that in order for the Holy…[Read more]
kejonn replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 18 years, 8 months ago
Quote (Cult Buster @ July 18 2007,17:46)kejonnQuote There is a lesson for you in Romans 8:9-11, and it is not that the Holy Spirit being a third member of a triune God. Haha, in fact, by showing that Yeshua and God each own the Holy Spirit, one sees rather quickly that the Holy Spirit cannot be a third person, but a mutually shared essence. Where…[Read more]
kejonn replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 18 years, 8 months ago
Quote (Cult Buster @ July 18 2007,17:14)kejonn. The Holy Spirit may represent the other Persons of the Godhead but He does not cease to be God as you seem to think. Does your lawyer cease to be himself when he represents you? You reason like a JW. Have you been a JW? http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%2….m1. The Spirit Himself (Romans…[Read more]
kejonn replied to the topic Which Law? in the forum Scriptural Teachings 18 years, 8 months ago
Quote (IM4Truth @ July 18 2007,12:54)Chosenone You are so right. God did divorce the Jew's and He is not done with them, He will graft them in again. We are under a New Covenant. God made the Old Covenant with Israel and the Sabbath was a Sign between them and God. Peace Mrs.IM4TruthWhere do folks keep getting this “did divorce the Jews”?…[Read more]
kejonn replied to the topic Old Testament in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 18 years, 8 months ago
Nick,Good ones brother
. I've got a lot of catching up to do!kejonn replied to the topic numerology in the Bible in the forum Exta-biblical Writings 18 years, 8 months ago
Harmony,Hi. I've often heard people associate numerical meanings into and from scripture. I would not put much merit in this, it is a pagan thought. It is a type of superstition. God does not speak to us cryptically, but through His spirit.Just my opinion.
kejonn replied to the topic Archeology in the forum Feedback, Suggestions, & Features 18 years, 8 months ago
Seeking,I recently debated an atheist. His posts only strengthened my faith, and I see it as one of the catalysts for where i am today. I had become complacent but the atheist forced me to look deeply into the Bible and depend on God, so with each step, I became stronger in Christ.People should not fear testing their faith. Our God is bigger than anything.
kejonn replied to the topic Jehovah in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 18 years, 8 months ago
Just as an aside,
Psa 89:26 “He will cry to Me, 'You are my Father, My God, and the rock of my salvation.'Isa 63:16 For You are our Father, though Abraham does not know us And Israel does not recognize us. You, O LORD, are our Father, Our Redeemer from of old is Your name.Isa 64:8 But now, O LORD, You are our Father, We are the clay, and You our…
kejonn replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 18 years, 8 months ago
Hey, Ignatius may turn out to be a good fella after all
.kejonn replied to the topic Trinity – Is 1:18's Proof Text #2 in the forum Debates 18 years, 8 months ago
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 18 2007,03:19)1 Cor 11:14For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.When did you accept this other Jesus?
Why do Trinitarians bother quoting scripture…[Read more]kejonn replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 18 years, 8 months ago
WJ and Is,Yes, I did. What do I need to address? I provided the verse that shows the old adage: “what's mine is yours and what's yours is mine”. I could get detailed and provide lessons on many of the passages, and in particular Romans 8:9, but in the end the Holy Spirit originates from the Father but is shared by Yeshau, the monogenes Son who…[Read more]
kejonn replied to the topic Trinity – t8's proof text #1 in the forum Debates 18 years, 8 months ago
WJ,All of those verses, one short answer:
Matthew 11:27 – “All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
Includes the Holy Spirit. The now share the Holy Spirit. After all, the Spirit was involved in his…[Read more]
kejonn replied to the topic Trinity – Is 1:18's Proof Text #3 in the forum Debates 18 years, 8 months ago
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 17 2007,13:11)Hi KJ, Do not expect CB to change anything. Many have been convinced it is a computer.I think he is just a little deaf and blind, strangely the very thing he says about everyone else. Interestingly he seems to never garner any support from trintarians herewho seem too embarrassed at his overt…[Read more]
kejonn replied to the topic Trinity – Is 1:18's Proof Text #3 in the forum Debates 18 years, 8 months ago
Quote (Cult Buster @ July 17 2007,12:28)·1 Timothy 2:3, “For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;” Who is this Saviour? . Acts 13:23, “Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:” · Tit 2:13 looking for the blessed hope, and the appearance of the glory of our great God a…[Read more]
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