Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 20 2007,15:59)Quote (kejonn @ July 20 2007,00:14)First off, you starting out with a false assumption. You said “why is the Holy Spirit called”. In these verse, the Holy Spirit is not being called Christ. I see no reference to this at all, how do you? In fact, this is but a continuance of the verse I quoted earlier

Jhn 14:20…

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 29 2007,18:55)Hi W,. So how has the trinity theory evolved lately?

Mal 3:6 “For I, the LORD, do not change; therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumedHbr 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

Indeed.

1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.Jam 3:2 For we all stumble in many ways. If anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body as well.Hbr 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been…

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Nick,I thought you were responding to my suggestion for Mrs IM4 .

Late reply on the original but there are more than 2 versions that translate this verse differently (and the Septuagint is completely different, they did not quote from it this time!)

BBE: And I will send down on the family of David and on the people of Jerusalem the spirit of grace and of prayer; and their eyes will be turned to the one who was…

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I know the story, I was just trying to figure out why you said it. I think I know why but it was still odd.

Nick,

Nick,Perhaps. But I'm of the opinion that they likely think the same of those on the other side of the issue. It was relatively easy for me to start seeing the fallacies in the Trinity because it was rarely brought up. Whenever I heard references to it, I always had this strange feeling that it was somehow wrong.

Mrs IM,Why not make you own username? You can tag Mrs on front of your husband's username so we can spot your posts right off. Just a suggestion

Laurel,Just trying to understand your words here, as they are slightly foreign to my eyes. Don't forget, I've been “brought up” in a Southern Baptist Church (which I recently left).Anyways…Quote (Laurel @ July 20 2007,03:55)Now knowing how the “Christain” religion has falsified many Scriptural truths, and knowing “their” doctrine is based in the…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 19 2007,19:21)And I'll pose this question to both yourself and WJ, to see who has the most reasonable answer:How can we reconcile these two verses:John 14:2323Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. Ephesians…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 19 2007,19:15)Okay, thanks. My next question is – why is the Holy Spirit called:-1. “Christ”:Romans 8:1010If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.Colossians 1:2727to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 19 2007,18:51)kejonnWhat da ya know we have another Trinitarian that thinks like Ignatius!!! By the way you do believe that all things were made by him and for him dont you? He laid the foundations of the world you know!Hebrews 1:10https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;t=1278 Uh…no. I think any logical person who…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 19 2007,18:52)Kejonn,Did you miss this post? Awaiting your reply.ThanksProbably did miss it .Yeshua's personal spirit does not indwell us. The Holy Spirit does. But our spirit can communicate with his spirit via the shared Holy Spirit. How else can we as the body communicate effectively with the head of the body? The Holy…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 19 2007,18:15)KejonnThat’s the question you have not answered?Huh? Quote Scripture teaches we can not approach God but through The mediator between God and man the man Jesus. What does it mean through Jesus?It means through the humanity of Yeshua. We are human, God is not. Where are you falling down on this o…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 19 2007,17:22)kejonnYou say…Quote So by pointing out that the Father is the one true God, he is saying that Yeshua was the Word of God in the flesh, and thus God to him.There is no way of cutting your statement to be anything other than Polytheism.Huh? Ignatius said it, not me. I don't think Yeshua is God. He may…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 19 2007,17:08)The key to your claim that because he teaches against Polytheism means that he teaches against the trinity is the fact that he claims Jesus as the Creator!Plain and simple. Ignatius like John who discipled him believed Jesus to be YHWH in the flesh.WJ, I was wondering where you kept coming up with this…[Read more]

WJ,I don't doubt that Ignatius felt that God came in the flesh. But I think we don't truly understand the way “God” was used in the first century and before. I think that is where we have the division and th misleadings. Ignatius' writings somewhat confirm this. How can he in some places say that the Father is the one true God, the one and only…[Read more]

WJ,I think our struggle is with theos. You see “God” and automatically think Trinity. But my above post using excerpts from Ignatius' Epistle to the Magnesians points out that he believes the Father is the one true God and Almighty. By calling Yeshua God, he is saying he is God to us because he represented God in the flesh, just like some OT…[Read more]

Looking through Ignatius' writings, he often refers to Yeshua as “God”. I put it in quotation marks because I wonder of it should be capitalized. But I also not that he calls the Father the Almighty God in some places and true God in others. He never uses Almighty or true God to refer to Yeshua. Yet as you can see above, he warns against…[Read more]