And just recently, the Pope said there was no salvation outside of the RCC. Since this is totally unbiblical, on could say that he is putting himself in the place of God by putting new requirements on salvation. Perhaps the whole RCC is the “Man of Sin”.

Quote (kenrch @ July 21 2007,08:02)I may be mistaken but I think the Mormons believe Wisdom is God's wife and of course Jesus their Son.Um, yeah.

Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 21 2007,14:06)Okay, I see your point of view now. Thanks for explaining. I actually agree with you that He did not inherit the title “God”. He always was (John 1:1c), is (John 20:28) and always will be “God” (Zech 14; Heb 1:8-12; Rev 1:17, 2:9, 22:13). I don't believe “being God” is something that one can inherit anyway, you…[Read more]

t8,Yeah I knew you weren't talking about me. No prob.

CO,Sorry, haven't looked at this thread lately. Will respond tomorrow if not sooner.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 21 2007,09:05)Quote (kejonn @ July 21 2007,08:26)WJ,I will answer the rest later (and the rest of the earlier post  ) but again, you pull a quote from one of the spurious writings of Ignatius. Why do you do this? It only puts your honesty into question because you want to claim that it was actually Ignatius writing…[Read more]

WJ,Here is the rest of response to the other post.Quote You are getting good at subterfuge, for earlier you quoted the first part of Ignatius quote as…Quote “On this account also they were persecuted, being inspired by grace to fully convince the unbelieving that there is one God, the Almighty, who has manifested Himself by Jesus Christ His Son…[Read more]

WJ,I will answer the rest later (and the rest of the earlier post ) but again, you pull a quote from one of the spurious writings of Ignatius. Why do you do this? It only puts your honesty into question because you want to claim that it was actually Ignatius writing these things. Heres a note about the spurious epistles and the Epistle to the…[Read more]

Can't copy the references now, but it appears that Irenaeus believed that Wisdom is the Holy Spirit and Yeshua was the Word. I will try to post some quotes later. It appears that Justin Martyr thought Word and Wisdom were the same, and that Yeshua and the Holy Spirit were the same.Irenaeus also went on to say that there was but one God who created…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 20 2007,19:51)Quote (kejonn @ July 20 2007,19:26)Huh? He's probably a scary dad, what with that scarf over his face, headband, wild grayish white hair, big loop earring and single manacle! It's my best side! I have my moments as a parent, as I'm sure everyone does. Do you have kids kejonn?Yes. A 17 y.o. daughter (–groan–)…[Read more]

Tsk tsk, I hate to say this, but you are going down the River of Denial with a leaky boat and no paddle. You, next to CB, have the thickest Trinity glasses on this board . But 33 years of believing something is hard to give up on. I respect that.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 20 2007,19:32)Show me where Ignatius says the Father is the “one and o…[Read more]

Nick,Apologies if that rubbed you the wrong way. But your posts constantly emphasize that Yeshua was an ordinary, mere man. That is where one would get the idea that you focus more on Mary than God in the parental contribution. No man can be the biological son of God and Man and be ordinary though he may appear to be so on the outside.

Quote (Not3in1 @ July 20 2007,19:10)I'm sure you're a great Dad, Isaiah!Huh? He's probably a scary dad, what with that scarf over his face, headband, wild grayish white hair, big loop earring and single manacle! Just a play on the avatar!Yes, I would wager that IS would be a good dad as well. He is very spiritually discerning judging by his…[Read more]

N3,Yes they understood that part but you were starting to get into the biological aspects. You know sperm and egg and all that stuff . But that was the part that I was talking about. Nick is determined to prove, at least in his own mind, that Mary was the only important parent as far as Yeshua's humanity was concerned. He constantly ignores the…[Read more]

CORRECTION: The line “the Bible was written by the inspiration of men” should read “the Bible was written by men under the inspiration of God”. Sorry, no editing rights .

Folks,You have to realize that the Bible was written by the inspiration of men in terms and concepts they knew. People in the 1st century and before knew none of the details of the biology of conception. Why would you therefore expect that this aspect of the conception be mentioned at all? So now people will end up just inserting what they want to…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 20 2007,17:26)Okay, so when Yeshua proclaimed that the the Spirit of truth “abides with you and will be in you” was He speaking a literal indwelling? And how do you know for certain that when the exact same language is used of the Spirit of Christ it is not meant to be taken literally, but metaphorically?Kejonn, your view of…[Read more]

IS,The Holy Spirit is really as hard to really figure out as the concept of the Word. I don't think we'll know exactly what it is about until we get home. But your assertions come from a Trinitarian mindset that must believe that the Holy Spirit is the third person of the triune God. It shares a mutual essence and nature with Yeshua and the…[Read more]

Seems we have some gnostics among us…

Quote (Is 1:18 @ July 20 2007,16:28)Quote (kejonn @ July 20 2007,00:14)Look at the way this verse is worded. Yeshua's spirit is not indwelling us in this instance but communicating to our spirit via the Holy Spirit to exclaim “Abba Father”. Its a specific action, and a one of praise from Father to Son. Yeshua is showing us one of the many ways to…[Read more]