Quote (Cult Buster @ July 22 2007,16:37)Kejonn. You need to dig deeper into the word of God instead of being a surface reader.Joh 18:5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. Joh 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to…[Read more]

Mrs IM,Very true, but once you remove the verses that are supposed to support the doctrine, there is less to adhere to. The “mystery” becomes less mysterious and more ludicrous.

Nick,To me its all good, from Genesis to Revelation.

In any case, I think the verses that speak of no one seeing God refers to his spiritual form. Can you see spirit? We know that the Holy Spirit descended upon Yeshua in the form of a dove, but there really is no indication that is was the Spirit alone that was being seen. The shape was formed so that JTB could witness the anointing and know that…[Read more]

I read through several pages of this thread but do not have the time to read through all. I noted in the pages I read that no one tackled the Genesis 18 account of an appearance of YHWH. I wanted to take a short stab at this passage. First off, I note that Is 1:18 only used bits and pieces of the passage and left out very important verses that…[Read more]

16 pages and people have failed to see the very, very important thing about John 19:37. Let's look at some verses and the OT verse they are supposed to relate to:

Jhn 19:24 So they said to one another, “Let us not tear it, but cast lots for it, to decide whose it shall be”; this was to fulfill the Scripture: “THEY DIVIDED MY OUTER GARMENTS AMONG…

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Are we all going to remain unsaved? Well, some of us who belong to an elite group will have a chance. Let's look at these elite groups and we can figure out if we belong to any of them.Mat 15:24 But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”So Yeshua came for the Jews. If you are a Jew, you have a chance…[Read more]

Quote (chosenone @ July 22 2007,00:45)kejonn. Again and again, show me the “unsound teachings” you struggle with. You are so clever at avoiding truth, just attacking with general accusations, your credibility is sinking. You need to address the quote to which you are using as your accusation.Blessings.CO,Did I say “your” unsound teaching?…[Read more]

CO,I'm not under the Law either. But I do value these verses

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;1Cr 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.1Jo 2:3 By this we know that we…

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CO,I tolerate sound teaching rather well. Its the unsound teaching I struggle with.

Quote (chosenone @ July 21 2007,23:54)Quote (kejonn @ July 20 2007,17:28)Seems we have some gnostics among us…Seems like we have a lot of “judgemental” opinions. Never any copy of quote you feel is “Gnostic”, or “anti-semetic”, just accusations without proof. Do not assume that a difference of opinion to yours is false! “Do not bear false…[Read more]

CO,Not just this post. It is something I've discerned after reading many of your posts. And I am not ashamed because I don't feel bad about standing up for my savior.BTW, please stop using this “false witness” accusation. It does not apply to you.

Exodus 20:16 – “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.”

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michaels,Yes, that is my point. But realistically, we cannot know for sure. We will know someday though! I do not see where Judas ever did anything but be selfish and that was not following Christ.

Not3,In one way, Nick is correct. God made Man, and thus Mary's life comes from God. Yeshua came from God. So in essence, God is solely responsible.But I also see your viewpoint . Just saying both views are valid.

Quote (chosenone @ July 21 2007,14:23)Hi kejonn. You misinterpert this scripture. It says that the “man” issues the divorce, “HE” writes the bill of divorcement, not the other way around. Also you say, “it is never God who hardens His heart”, that is true, but He (God) hardens their hearts”, (Ro. 11:7-8) 7 What then? What Israel is seeking…[Read more]

Quote (michaels @ July 22 2007,05:36)did god come down from heaven,and say audably choose another disiple to replace,judas,or was it man who decided to do this thing,?hmmmIt was recorded in scripture and there was no opposition. What are we to make of it then?

t8,Well, to be fair, that quote is from a spurious epistle of Ignatius. It is fairly certain that Ignatius did not write it. I realize that WJ used it but perhaps he has overlooked the fact that there were several epistles attributed to Ignatius that scholars have agreed where not written by him.Of course, his support of the spurious Epistle in…[Read more]

I would also like to add another twist to this because there is an important condition in Yeshua's statement which some may be overlooking:

Mat 19:28 And Jesus said to them, “Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging…

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So in essence we really don't have just Father, Son, and Holy Spirit but Father, Mother, and Son?Where DO people come up with some of these ideas ?

Quote (chosenone @ July 19 2007,07:38)kejonn, the scripture you asked for: So it came that Israel was divorced, ‘cast away because they did not hearken unto God, and made to be wanderers among the nations’ (Hosea 9:17). “When a man taketh a wife and marrieth her then it shall be, If she find no favor in his eyes because he hath…[Read more]