Well, if you want to trot out Tanach passages to prove some point about Islam, let's be consistent:Zec 8:20  “Thus says the LORD of hosts: Peoples shall yet come, even the inhabitants of many cities. Zec 8:21  The inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying, 'Let us go at once to entreat the favor of the LORD and to seek the LORD of h…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 06 2010,01:36)Paul was also a Jew. Or so he claimed. What makes you think he was not actually a Gentile claiming to be a Jew?Quote Regarding Ishmael the passage “the first shall be last and the last shall be firt applies”Totally out of context. Quote There is a purpose to contentiouness it was not meant for man to be…[Read more]

Although this is another thread derail, the application of “Prince of Peace” was something given to Jesus much later than the NT. He was never given that title by any of the NT writers, just as the concept of “rapture” was a more recent invention.Mat 10:34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace,…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 05 2010,19:48)First of all you already know that Jesus was a Jew so obviously he worshipped the God of the Jews and secondly Islam is following the religion of Abraham and his son Ishmael and therefor once again the same GOD.each rejection leads to introspection and introspection leads to truth.Jesus was a Jew. Check. Yet…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 05 2010,00:18)'i am'=23 is the false god of religion!Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.Hey, I didn't say it.

Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 05 2010,11:21)Obviously we know from all these scriptures that God does not tolerate certain behaviours for too long before their are consequences he sends a warner and then destruction is soon to follow this is in all the scriptures because it is the SAME ONE GOD.I will address this because it is not Quran specific.If…[Read more]

BD, I don't want to turn this into a thread about the Quran. But I will say this plainly: you have taken verses from other parts of the Quran that basically contradict what I gave. You did not address the passage I listed in its context. Christians often do the same with the bible when they want to avoid discussing a problem passage. They pretend…[Read more]

Wow. Just wow. We've got someone on here who believes that some form of numerology based on a flawed English translation of the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek is actually proof of some revelation of god.Worship idols (the KJV) much?

The above merely shows me that the Quran can be s contradictory as any other man-written text. It is basically speaking out of both sides of the mouth.

Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 03 2010,21:33)Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 04 2010,08:54)Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 03 2010,13:01)How is tolerance “agreement”?I don't fight against people I tolerate.sure you do, do you ever send back food at a restaraunt and get into an exchange with the server or waiter?Do you ever argue with a friend over something they did…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 03 2010,13:01)How is tolerance “agreement”?I don't fight against people I tolerate.

Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 03 2010,12:03)Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 03 2010,07:31)BD, what of these verses?Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 03 2010,01:07)kejonn,I went through a crisis of faith myself a couple of years ago; I was fired, my business was stolen from me (aided by a Christian brother), the investor sued me to avoid honoring contracts, the lawsuit drained us of all our savings, out of money, I had to give him his way on everything, I couldn't…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 02 2010,18:42)kejonn,I apologize I did misunderstand you, I have known people who believe that there are many possible, even conflicting, truths. I agree that if you accept there is a supernatural realm then by it's very nature we are unable to verify the truths of it via empirical means and conclusive proof is hard to…[Read more]

BD, what of these verses?Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low. (9:29) And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 01 2010,22:28)Hi KeJohn:As I have said and I believe you stated your self there are people in every religion that have experienced God to their great satisfaction, having prayers answered, healings occur, being showed visions and the suchActually I shouldn't post in this thread because I am not really debating but my…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 01 2010,19:41)kejonn,I agree truth is truth, but I totally disagree that there are many truths.I think you misunderstood my statement. There are many truths. Water is essential for life. The sun heats our planet and provides daylight. Everyone dies. You get the picture.Quote I believe truth to be absolute and unchanging.…[Read more]

Sorry I missed your response PotK.Quote (princess of the king @ Jan. 01 2010,15:40)it would take on the question of: original meaning of god, would it not. the word god is so universal, surely the meaning of the word would have a great definition. I do not know that one could come up with the original meaning of god. If you look back upon the…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ Jan. 01 2010,20:27)Hi KejonnWell its good that you have spirituality.I could make anything into a God if I wanted. Someone I really love, alive or dead, if theyre all I think about , all I feel guides me, watches over me, But one thing I cant say is that they created the heaven and earth, and were before all. Allthough iv made…[Read more]

Quote (princess of the king @ Jan. 01 2010,19:56)a better starting place is what is your definition of god. Does that really matter? Other people worship other entities — real or imagined — that they call “god”. Please do not detract.Quote god is just a word, belief in that god is what makes the world go round does it not.Not really, no.