Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 31 2007,13:17)KejonnYou say…Quote Wait…no Holy Spirit? Where is the 3rd “person” of the Triune God in this? Oooppps. Binity again.I thought you were more tactful than that! To resort to such logic. Logic? We don't need no steenkin' logic  . Anyways, there is no logic or even tact to assuming that the Holy Spirit…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 31 2007,11:57)kejonnYou say..Quote John knew the true God. Paul knew the one God. Both knew He is the Father. Shame people ignore them. Interesting. And yet you say Jesus is “a god”!John knew who Jesus was…Why do you think he says we are in Jesus Christ, this is the true God and Eternal life! Why didnt he just…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 31 2007,01:59)John who also recorded John 1:1 “The Word was God”, also recorded 1 John 1:1,2.1 John 1: 1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;2 (For the life was manifested, and we have see…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 31 2007,01:59)Quote (kejonn @ July 31 2007,13:44)WJ,Can you show me where Yeshua was ever called “true God” or the “one God” or the “only God”? This is where Trinitarians have to start implying.KejonnI have! But you have chosen to read into the text what you want.1 John 5:20And we know that the Son of God has come,…[Read more]

This test was whacked. I stopped on this question:”If God exists she could make it so that everything now considered sinful becomes morally acceptable and everything that is now considered morally good becomes sinful.”

Quote (Jodi @ July 30 2007,20:27)I don’t know maybe I’m on crack! Your bushy eyebrows and mustache would compliment such an assertion .

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 30 2007,16:17)Quote (kejonn @ July 30 2007,20:00)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 30 2007,01:50)kejonnYou say…Quote This is another instance wherre you base your theology on shaky ground. Translate it as “by” and you can support the Trinity, translate it as “through” and it cannot. Weak. I disagree!Party #1 says I am…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 30 2007,20:43)Hi, God introduced Himself as “I Am Who Am”But I have yet to see the question answered by those who will not accept that God is Oneas to whether it was one voice or three in unison.Nick,Since I'm “expanding” knowledge with Irenaeus, here is some more that help with the “one God” theology. In his Against…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 30 2007,17:26)kejonnWow! That truly is amazing. All those quotes that the Father is the Only true God!But as youu know Trinitarians believe the Son and the Holy Spirit is also “True God”.So this is not a contradiction!No they are not the Father! kejonnIt might help if you could find one of the early Fathers say Jesus…[Read more]

Hey Is 1:18,

NASB: And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, (NASB ©1995)GWT: His Son is the reflection of God's glory and the exact likeness of God's being. He holds…

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Mr. Steve,Thanks, but I wouldn't go that far . In any case, you are right. But Trinitarians say subjection is not a measure of equality because humans are subject to one another and yet all are still human. I can see this reasoning. But then Yeshua fails to be YHWH, and then can only be “God”. So, does the Trinity have YHWH as one of the 3…[Read more]

Nick,Missed the vacation announcement. Have a great one!

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 30 2007,17:26)kejonnWow! That truly is amazing. All those quotes that the Father is the Only true God!But as youu know Trinitarians believe the Son and the Holy Spirit is also “True God”.So this is not a contradiction!No they are not the Father! kejonnIt might help if you could find one of the early Fathers say Jesus…[Read more]

Mrs IM,He is Yoda after all .

Final Irenaeus for now. From Against Heresies: Book V

Chapter XXV.—The fraud, pride, and tyrannical kingdom of Antichrist, as described by Daniel and Paul.Now I have shown in the third book, that no one is termed God by the apostles when speaking for themselves, except Him who truly is God, the Father of our Lord, by whose directions the temple w…

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Irenaeus in Against Heresies: Book IV

PrefaceNow man is a mixed organization of soul and flesh, who was formed after the likeness of God, and moulded by His hands, that is, by the Son and Holy Spirit, to whom also He said, “Let Us make man.” This, then, is the aim of him who envies our life, to render men disbelievers in their own salvation, and…

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Irenaeus in Against Heresies: Book III

Chapter V.—Christ and His apostles, without any fraud, deception, or hypocrisy, preached that one God, the Father, was the founder of all things. They did not accommodate their doctrine to the prepossessions of their hearers.Our Lord, therefore, being the truth, did not speak lies; and whom He knew to have t…

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Irenaeus, from Against Heresies: Book II

PrefaceIt is proper, then, that I should begin with the first and most important head, that is, God the Creator, who made the heaven and the earth, and all things that are therein (whom these men blasphemously style the fruit of a defect), and to demonstrate that there is nothing either above Him or after…

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The next few will be from Irenaeus.

Against Heresies: Book IChapter IX.—Refutation of the impious interpretations of these heretics.Learn then, ye foolish men, that Jesus who suffered for us, and who dwelt among us, is Himself the Word of God. For if any other of the Æons had become flesh for our salvation, it would have been probable that the ap…

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To all:I am going to chop up several quotes into posts and not make one long post. Since this seems to be a thread that involves early apostalic fathers, the following posts will be quotes fom some of them. The first is from Justin Martyr.

The First Apology of JustinChapter VI.—Charge of atheism refuted.Hence are we called atheists. And we c…

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