Quote (Not3in1 @ Aug. 01 2007,18:57)The “Don't ask; just believe” idea. Well, OK, but I am inquiring and asking; I am earnestly seeking God and for me, the asking and discussing is part of the process. God could speak into existence anything he wishes, this is true; however, he chose to use the very human method (one we would understand) of…[Read more]

As a follow-up to the last verse, if the Holy Spirit is a separate person of God, what of these verses?

Jhn 17:21 that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.Jhn 17:23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the…

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Quote (Mr. Steve @ Aug. 01 2007,14:33)Kejonn; Of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is the least contended person of the Godhead. We simply have very little scripture on the holy spirit. I believe the Holy Spirit is a distinct person because Christ referred to him as “He” and he will not speak of “Himself” thereby distinguishing…[Read more]

Quote (IM4Truth @ Aug. 01 2007,21:10)Chap I don know what I thought I say before, but I thought you had a different picture what you have now. Sorry my mistake, getting old.But I believe that one has to be Baptized and receive the Holy Spirit and be born from above to become one with the Father and the Son.Mrs.IM4TruthMrs IM,Not to worry, Chap…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 01 2007,19:21)kejonnI have been busy in my buisness, I own a computer buisness and have been swamped, but will be back soon.Good to hear you are swamped. That means business is good! I wish you the best in your business venture.Quote Just thought I would mention why Jesus being the Alpha and Omega means he is God.You…[Read more]

Hey Ken,I think I answered this one before. I can understand your “dilemma”. But have you ever considered that perhaps the KJV does not have the correct rendering after all?Consider

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.

Now consider

Rev 7:9…

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Quote (acertainchap @ Aug. 01 2007,07:36)Yeah…weird stuff. We are warned not to like/do/learn Astrology. Why were you on that site, anyway? hmm? hmm?I looked it up when i saw your post on aliens. It made me recall the Raelian movement. The raelians belived we were created by aliens called “Elohim”. Yep, they believed the the “Elohim” of the OT…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Aug. 01 2007,14:29)Hi acertainchap++”Do you always need evidence? No. Actually yes,  and I'd suggest you probably run most of your life by evidence as well.If your bank said your account was overdrawn and you didn't believe it, you'd look for evidence for their claim, perhaps by adding up income to and expenditure from the account.…[Read more]

Quote (Cult Buster @ Aug. 01 2007,07:14)Mr Steve.Do you know that the JW clan here on heavennet are suffering from the strong delusion mentioned in 2 Thessalonians. Do you wish to become like them, or would you rather have the salvation that comes from belief of the truth? The choice is yours. Choose today!There you go with that JW hatred again.…[Read more]

Quote (Cult Buster @ Aug. 01 2007,07:58)Not all that “twist” stuff again.I don't “twist”, I “list” — verses that is. And I use terms found in the Bible, not those fashioned by Greek philosphers and men. I have come to an understanding of the 3 major “Trinitarians” on here and I get ideas from their posts on the reasoning they support their view.…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Aug. 01 2007,04:24)Hello Kejonn, hope you have been keeping well. I only have a little time so just wanted to pick up on a few of your points, if I may.Hey, IS, good to “hear” from you! Hope you have also been up to nothing but good. Quote Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 01 2007,16:34)No doubt. Too bad that this is from Psalm 45 which is…[Read more]

Here, for your entertainment value (and be warned, weird stuff)Seraphim,Cherubim & Ezekiel's WheelsAliens,Nephilim & the Days of NoahI do not support this site, just thought it was funny .

Quote (A4J @ July 31 2007,23:16)Quote But of course you being an atheist how am I to believe you, a lie would be nothing for you after all their is no God so anything goes, right? So never mind. i would go on about how ignorant and foolish you are, but I'm much to busy, i got to get back to my baby masochism and shrine in my attic floorit…[Read more]

Quote (A4J @ Aug. 01 2007,00:16)Oh well, can't say i didn't trycan't argue with someone if it is impossible to change there mind no matter how much evidence you give them i give up on you guys, sorryHuh?

Quote (IM4Truth @ July 31 2007,01:55)Neil you are kejonn are you not? Mrs.We are not the same. He just happened to use the same avatar as me .

I voted “yes”. Not because I believe evolution over creation, but I do believe in micro-evolution or something similar. That is, I believe that God placed within His creation the ability to evolve to a certain extent. How else do animals adapt to their environment? Here is the verse that I think support my view

Gen 1:24 Then God said, “Let the…

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 31 2007,14:58)Quote (Mr. Steve @ Aug. 01 2007,05:44)T8;Isn't that the Oneness teaching. The trinitarians believe that Christ was the Son of God before coming to earth. What is most distinctive about the trinitarians isn't the pre-existence of Christ but the eternal equality of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 31 2007,17:23)You quote…Quote 1 Corinthians 8:5-6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.Nope, it dosnt say Jesus is not God!It doesn't say he isn't the Great Pumpkin e…[Read more]

Steve,Kudos on your prior post as well. I won't be so strong worded as you were in your response to me though — I don't like to use the words “heresy” and such when I speak about the Trinity. After all, for many centuries, those who did not believe in th Trinity were considered heretics. I would only consider something heresy if it was contrary…[Read more]

Mr. Steve,Trinitarians like the word “ontology” . Which, BTW, is another word we don't find in the Bible, but that is neither here nor there. It really is rather bizarre and just adds another bit of mystery to an already confusing subject. Did you know it is used heavily in philosophy?

In philosophy, ontology (from the Greek ὤν, genitive ὄντος: of…

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