Quote (Cult Buster @ Aug. 02 2007,06:08)Quote Excuse me Mr t8. Didn't you just leave out some of the scripture?Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.Mr Steve. Do yourself a favor.Read John 1:1 again.   All of it!    Don't ignore the truth.                    “and the Word was God.” This verse is a “…[Read more]

Actually, the Trinity was borrowed from a Jew: Philo of Alexandria. Philo preceded all of the NT writers with his works. It was his writings on Logos which likely either influenced the writer of the Gospel of John, or at least God put into both writers hearts and miinds the idea of Logos in relation to God. Look for my recent posts on this subject…[Read more]

Yet another interesting quote from Philo. This time directly from one of Philo's writings ON DREAMS, THAT THEY ARE GOD-SENT

(1.215) For there are, as it seems, two temples belonging to God; one being this world, in which the high priest is the divine word, his own firstborn son. The other is the rational soul, the priest of which is the real true…

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Well, since this thread was initially written to addess John 1:1c, its time to look back to the originator of John's thought process – Philo. I don't know what made me think of Philo today but a heaviness of my heart came upon me and the name Philo came up. I knew nothing of Philo before today but now I know more than I want to. So here is John…[Read more]

Another quote from the site listed (and this is getting weird now):

Closely connected with Philo's doctrine of creation is his doctrine of miracles. His favorite statement is that “everything is possible with God.”

Compare this to

Mat 19:26 And looking at {them} Jesus said to them, “With people this is impossible, but with God all things are…

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Seems John was not the only one influenced by Philo.

a. Philo's Model of CreationThough Philo's model of creation comes from Plato's Timaeus, the direct agent of creation is not God himself (described in Plato as Demiurge, Maker, Artificer), but the Logos. Philo believes that the Logos is “the man of God” (Conf. 41) or the shadow of God that was…

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Ooops, sorry. Philo thread can be found here.

To all,Please check out my thread on Philo. I think the parallels between this Jew (who did not speak of Yeshua) and the Gospel of John is rather eye-opening. I also think that Philo may have been the largest influence of all for the formulation of the Trinity doctrine.

Actually, my response was just a means of showing the absurdity of your denial of Yeshua's statement. I see that you would rather believe the doubter over the risen Lord. He said his God, the Father, is our God too. So I believe him — his word takes precedence. You want to take Thomas' word over Yeshua's because it supports your dogma. That's…[Read more]

Quote (Cult Buster @ Aug. 02 2007,08:02)KejonnQuote Thanks for avoiding my questions especially the second one.Kejonn. Are you blind or something?Here is your question.Quote Here's another for you, and please answer it: Did Jesus Christ come in the flesh?And here was my answer.Quote What does the scripture say?Joh 20:27  Then He said to Thomas,…[Read more]

Quote (Cult Buster @ Aug. 02 2007,07:51)Kejonn. Is that the best that you can do?Rev 1:1 does not identify who “God” is. Instead of getting irrational and abusive, you should try reasoning from the scripture. It just shows your character.There are three who are Jehovah God. Regardless of who “God” is in Rev 1:1,  The First and Last is Jesus…[Read more]

CB,Thanks for avoiding my questions especially the second one. Now I know who you are and your true purpose on this board.2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.**shudder**Get behind me, Satan.

CB! Thanks man, you've come through for me again. I think your purpose on here is to help us study the context by repeating certain verses. Thanks! Let's look, its amazing

Jhn 20:17 Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father,…

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CB,You forgot to answer the question. I figured you would. I've yet to see you answer a direct question yet. So again, who is “God” in Rev 1:1?Here's another for you, and please answer it: Did Jesus Christ come in the flesh?

Quote (Cult Buster @ Aug. 02 2007,07:00)Kejonn. You have Bible myopia. Jesus was speaking in the context of the incarnation, while living as a man. But He was still God. The Bible says so.Look! Just a few verses later. Thomas is speaking to Jesus.Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, My Lord and my God! Back to the drawing board. Off…[Read more]

Quote (Cult Buster @ Aug. 02 2007,06:39)Kejonn. You've just swallowed a camel.A camel goes down easier than an elephant. But you can carve the tusks into toothpicks to get the elephant meat out of your teeth. Do you like the taste?Quote Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me,…[Read more]

Quote (Cult Buster @ Aug. 02 2007,06:12)Mr Steve.Why don't you give a straight answer without all the “twisting and wriggling”.Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. And yet Yeshua said Jhn 20:17 Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to…[Read more]

CB,Bible verse cluster bomb. Modalism shames the Father.Shall you then rewrite John 20:17? Is this what you see when you read it

Jhn 20:17 Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to Myself; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to Myself and your Father, and Myself and your God.' “

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Then you must then ignore this verses:

Rev 22:8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things.Rev 22:9 But he said to me, “Do not do that. I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of…

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Dan 10:5 I lifted my eyes and looked, and behold, there was a certain man dressed in linen, whose waist was girded with {a belt of} pure gold of Uphaz.Dan 10:6 His body also {was} like beryl, his face had the appearance of lightning, his eyes were like flaming torches, his arms and feet like the gleam of polished bronze, and the sound of his…

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