michaels,I can only pray for you. For one thing, if I say “I am”, I am using English, which, I need to inform you, was not the language of the Old Testament. So nobody is using God's “name” when they say “I am” because English was not around!I would encourage you to think about this. As one other person stated, you come off sounding ignorant. You…[Read more]

Michaels, I only used other versions to clarify for you. But I showed you the context. I could do the same with the KJV. Since Melchizedek was high priest, Abram was bringing the tithe of the spoils to him. Why would the high priest give tithe to Abram? Neh 10:38 The priest, the son of Aaron, shall be with the Levites when the Levites receive…[Read more]

Check out this guy :P. From Prototokos

Colossians 1:15 describes Jesus Christ: “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.” Lately, some have said that firstborn here means “preeminent.” Undoubtedly it can be used as such, but its more natural meaning is “the first to open the womb.”Creation (ktisis) “denotes a…

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 06 2007,18:56)Mr steveYou have never seen me say the “logos” is eternally begotten.I believe the 'Logos” which was with God and was God is not the spoken logos. The Logos that was God took on the likeness of sinfull flesh without diminishing his nature as the Word/God, for God can not change and neither could the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 06 2007,18:30)Well this is what you said about this Greek philosopher.“Philo did not know Yeshua, but he spoke much of the logos of God.”So no, I still would rather believe the translations we have. You can cast doubt on the scriptures, the current translations kejonn all you want. If you can do this on one point the…[Read more]

Here are some intersting places “logos” is used. This will literally be a “word” study !

Jhn 5:37   “And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form.  Jhn 5:38   “You do not have His word abiding in you, for you do not believe Him whom He se…

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Hi all,I'm curious…why is “Word” capitalized in John 1:1 and not in 1 John 1:10? 1Jo 1:10   If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.I know the original Greek makes no such distinction, but is not Yeshua in us? If so, and Yeshua is supposed to be “logos”, why would the translators fail to capitalize “word”…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 06 2007,15:18)As far as visa versa goes. It is possible. You dont know how long John believed the “Logos” was God. Remember he heard Thomas say “My Lord and My God” long before he penned the words. When he penned John 1:1 is not proof that Philo couldn't have borrowed his understanding from John in some way.Well,…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 06 2007,14:14)Ahhhhh. Yes I will take the word of over 600 scholars to the word of one greek philosopher.Don’t you think they had Philos writings also? BTW who translated Philos writings?Was Philo merely a Greek philosopher? You would like to label him as such because it would detract from his worth in this debate, b…[Read more]

If we think about OT prophets, we recognize one thing: they spoke on behalf of God. However, they always acknowledged that the words they spoke were not their own, but God's words. So in essence, they were a fleshly vessel for God. Now enter Yeshua. There was a certain difference that Yeshua brought than any other who could be called prophet of…[Read more]

To all,I don't know exactly what folks are looking for, but the basics of the new covenant is that our justification is by faith through grace. Does that abolish the Law? No, it fulfills the Law. But recognize that circumision is a specific covenant made with Abraham and his descendants.Think of it on a human level – if your child follows your…[Read more]

Steve,The funniest part to me — and I never really bought it when I accepted the Trinity — was that Trinitarianism was monotheistic. As it is laid out, perhaps you can make a case but then when you try to apply it to scripture, it fails to remain monotheistic. A simple case is John 20. Yeshua says “My Father and your Father, My God and your…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 06 2007,01:40)Hint Philo believed “logos” was the divine reason.He believed the “logos” to be the expressed thought or word of God, therefore implying Jesus is the thought or plan of God that came into existance at his birth. Hence becoming the firstborn of God. He also calls the “logos” a god. Hello JWs.This time…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 06 2007,01:40)Also, not to mention the translation of the Septuegent, which flatly denies the implications of your Greek philosopher.Hint Philo believed “logos” was the divine reason.He believed the “logos” to be the expressed thought or word of God, therefore implying Jesus is the thought or plan of God that came…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 06 2007,01:40)Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 05 2007,22:27)CB,Did God sya “first and last” was a title, and His alone? And YHWH said “I am the first and I am the last”. If this is a title, Yeshua only said “I am the first and the last”. No second instance of “I am”.kejonnWeak! I will be responding to your post on the…[Read more]

Hehe, I may be wrong, but if some people already knew the right answers, they wouldn't be searching.Just a point to ponder.

Chap,You PMed me before too. One time you asked me if I liked Star Wars. I'll admit I did not answer that right away but my mind was focused on other things. When I did answer, I too got the bounced email message. Sorry.Anyway, my answer is “yes” and “no”. I liked the old SW, but the newer ones had some really crummy acting.

Michaels,Just doing this to help you, but were the following people calling themselves God in the verses listed?

Gen 15:2 Abram said, “O Lord GOD, what will You give me, since I am childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?”Gen 22:7 Isaac spoke to Abraham his father and said, “My father!” And he said, “Here I am, my son.” And…

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Michaels,Just curious, but is there any book of the New Testament that you believe? You don't believe Paul, you say Hebrews is bad. Only the Gospels then?Besides that, Paul said “I am what I am” not “I am that I am”. Have you never heard someone say “I am what I am”? If so, did you automatically think that they were some type of antichrist for…[Read more]

Michaels,I think you need to read the Genesis passage again. Abram did indeed tithe to Melchizedek. For one thing, Melchizedek was high priest. Check it out.

Gen 14:16 He brought back all the goods, and also brought back his relative Lot with his possessions, and also the women, and the people.Gen 14:17 Then after his return from the defeat…

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