Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 07 2007,01:41)Elitism is a big one also. It comes in this disguise…I once believed that way too, “But Now” infering that they are more spiritual or closer to God. Also men forsaking the “Assembling of themselve together”.Since the others you said do not apply to me, I at least caught this one. Do you realize by…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2007,23:55)kejonnYou say…Quote Now wouldn't you think that the one who made the new covenant would say that the Sabbath was abolished rather than answer the way he did? Yet he did not. He instead showed us how to do well on the Sabbath, just as he showed us how to truly adhere to he other commandments. And if…[Read more]

I think part of the problem is that people don't see where Yeshua taught about the Sabbath like he did the other commandments. But didn't he? Let's look at some others.

Mat 5:21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.' Mat 5:22 But I say to you that everyone who is…

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2007,17:09)Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,09:27)WJ,Your short statements also speak volumes. You have no real defense against what I said, do you? Where do you see the average “Christian” standing up for Christ outside of the sanctuary of the local church?The silence is deafening…kejonnAnd you have no real defense…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2007,15:18)kejonnHow do I know what is sin?Sin is the transgressiion of the law. So therefore we are all guilty. That is the point.Yes, we are. But we then repent and give our life to Christ. How do we know what is sin after that point? You say sin is transgression of the law, but yet you deny that Christians have…[Read more]

WJ,Your short statements also speak volumes. You have no real defense against what I said, do you? Where do you see the average “Christian” standing up for Christ outside of the sanctuary of the local church?The silence is deafening…

WJ,can you show me where the Law is the Ten commandments?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2007,14:59)kejonnI do have one more thing to say.You say…Quote Again, this is where many Christians are missing out. This also may be why Christianity is starting to lose so much ground in America — because people either see legalistic Christians (like the Pharisees were among the Jews) or liberal Christians…[Read more]

WJ,Almost every where I go, people are leaving churches. Just do the research. The church in America is headed for extinction. I assume you are in the US? I am smack dab in the Bible Belt and I see more and more people leaving “the church”. I think you have your head in the sand if you can't see that.And why? The newest generation of people are…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2007,14:42)Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,07:10)WJ,Fulfilled does not mean eliminated. It means to be made complete. And is the Ten Commandments the “Law of God”? What are laws? They provide rules. But they also involve penalties for breaking them. No penalties were written on stone tablets. That was contained in…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2007,14:34)kejonnI think we are sayng the same thing.However, I disagree in that you are saying that the Old Covenant is still valid for the Born again Christian.Yes, and no. The old covenant included the various penalties for sin. The only penalty for sin now is death: “the wages of sin is death”.Quote So we are…[Read more]

WJ,Fulfilled does not mean eliminated. It means to be made complete. And is the Ten Commandments the “Law of God”? What are laws? They provide rules. But they also involve penalties for breaking them. No penalties were written on stone tablets. That was contained in the law of Moses.

WJ,I moved the reply to your post about Gal. 4 to the covenants thread.

Moved from the Sabbath threadQuote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2007,13:06)Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,05:41)WJ,Stop one moment and think of the story of Isaac and Ishmael. Why was Ismael born? Because Abram and Sarai wanted to fulfill the promise God made to them instead of waiting on God to do it. That is where the bondage comes from: doing…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2007,11:45)Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 07 2007,03:38)WJ,No doubt. Yet the Sabbath is more than just having a holy convocation. Its about abstaining from the work of the world and replacing it with dedication to God. So we as Christians can truly gather on any day, but I can't tell you how many times in life I've heard…[Read more]

WJ,No doubt. Yet the Sabbath is more than just having a holy convocation. Its about abstaining from the work of the world and replacing it with dedication to God. So we as Christians can truly gather on any day, but I can't tell you how many times in life I've heard “You're not supposed to do that on Sunday”. IOW, they were treating Sunday as it…[Read more]

BTW,Happy Sabbath. My “ox was in the ditch” this morning. I woke to find my trees full of toilet paper! So it was necessary to do a little “servile work” and get that stuff out. That's what happens when you have a 17 y.o. daughter…

Quote (t8 @ Oct. 06 2007,00:53)Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 06 2007,10:34)Whenever God spoke of the Sabbath, whether yearly or weekly, He spoke of having a holy convocation. In otehr words, a gathering. Much like what we call today as “worship”. Therefore, if the Sabbath was well established in the OT, and Christians, both Jew and Gentile, continued to…[Read more]

Whenever God spoke of the Sabbath, whether yearly or weekly, He spoke of having a holy convocation. In otehr words, a gathering. Much like what we call today as “worship”. Therefore, if the Sabbath was well established in the OT, and Christians, both Jew and Gentile, continued to gather on it in the NT, what basis is there in scripture to set…[Read more]

WJ, I saw this a couple of times in the Barnabas quotes, but do you understand the message? Isa 1:14  Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hates; they have become a burden to me; I am weary of bearing them.I don't know where the Barnabas writer got “sabbaths” because I don't see that in any translation, but note that it says “your new…[Read more]