Quote (Morningstar @ Oct. 15 2007,13:47)Comparison of John 10 and Psalm 82:Jesus reply in Jn 10 makes far more sense if he is referring todivine beings, because he is making the claim that he himself is divine. If he was merely referring to human judges, then he is simply calling himself a man. I don't think this is what the Gospel is trying to…[Read more]

Quote (Morningstar @ Oct. 15 2007,13:11)I follow, but many are called father in the bible and in everyday life.  The difference is in semantics. a father vs. The Father.  a god vs. The God.Here Jesus is called a father.Isaiah 9:66(A) For to us a child is born,   to us(B) a son is given;© and the government shall be(D) upon his shoulder,   and his…[Read more]

Quote (Morningstar @ Oct. 15 2007,12:09)Yes it has hurdles as do all.  However, this theology existed in many Christian circles in the 1st century.  The Gnostics were one of them.  But they believed the God of the OT was evil and that Jesus was a new God sent by the father.  I am not suggesting that.Deuteronomy 32:8-98When the Most High (El Ely…[Read more]

MS,I've seen this before. I don't know where this belief originated, but I can see where people get it from. In the NT, there is no mention of YHWH (YHVH), just the Son of God and God the Father. Since YHWH is not mentioned in the NT, than this leaves it wide open to assert that since Yeshua has a name, and the God of the OT had a name (YHWH),…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Oct. 14 2007,03:34)Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 14 2007,14:31)Stu,Most of the folks on here are not Fundies. WJ probably comes the closest (no insult to WJ!). Most of us would be branded as heretics by the average Fundie. Fundamentalists are typically identified with the Protestant movement and most of us fall outside of that realm. What we…[Read more]

Quote (Samuel @ Oct. 14 2007,22:04)Uhm…yeah, there I, we, us…all need an edit feature. A lot of times I see double posts or back to back posts …and I notice that I can't even edit my own post. This is really needed.Samuel,This thread will explain alot.https://www.heavennet.net/cgi-bin….7;t=824

Quote (charity @ Oct. 14 2007,12:39)Quote (IM4Truth @ Oct. 08 2007,04:20)charity You are celebrating ramadan? Is that not a Muslim Holiday? Since youare fasting also, that is what it is? Peace and Love Mrs.when in Rome, forced to do as the romans do God bless you Mrs truthNot Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego

Stu,Most of the folks on here are not Fundies. WJ probably comes the closest (no insult to WJ!). Most of us would be branded as heretics by the average Fundie. Fundamentalists are typically identified with the Protestant movement and most of us fall outside of that realm. What we are, though, are people who tend to believe in scripture as being…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Oct. 13 2007,21:02)Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 14 2007,04:40)Quote (Stu @ Oct. 13 2007,01:12)A while ago Elaine1809 wrote:++”I think the scriptures instruct us the way we ought to behave with believers and unbelievers. How should nonbelievers be treated?Love and be kind to them? (Leviticus 19:18, Matthew 22:39, Mark 12:31, Luke 10:27, R…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Oct. 13 2007,14:58)T8, please delete this thread and point Kejonn to one of the other 4 threads of the exact same subject.For the record, I refuse to respond in this thread. One is enough. Search “Michael.”I have had these discussions in each of these other threads. Why can't we just use one of those. kejonn, if you would like…[Read more]

Quote (Stu @ Oct. 13 2007,01:12)A while ago Elaine1809 wrote:++”I think the scriptures instruct us the way we ought to behave with believers and unbelievers. How should nonbelievers be treated?Love and be kind to them? (Leviticus 19:18, Matthew 22:39, Mark 12:31, Luke 10:27, Romans 13:9-10, Galatians 5:14, James 2:8)Shun them? (2 Corinthians 6…[Read more]

Hey Deb,You may want to change your font color. It hurts the eyes . Try a darker color…Thanks.

Not3,Now you truly know that Mary was merely a warm body that carried the incarnate angel or god. She was a human incubator! What suffering do you think was worse, being trapped in the womb for 9 months eating through a tube in his belly or dying on the cross?

Ken, The Sabbath was made for man? So if we say that the Sabbath has been abolished, are we then saying we are not man? What “species” do you want to be?

WJ,Paul says he wished that moire would speak in tongues, and that he spoke in more tongues than anyone else. Think about his ministry, and think about who he spoke to.Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles. The Jews likely spoke Aramaic. But as Acts 2 says, there were many from all around who spoke other languages. Now think about the many…[Read more]

WJ,What law does God write on our heart?

WJ,I would suggest you do some studies on Jews for Jesus. It seems they have a very seedy history. I'll leave the research to you. I WILL say that there are several ex-Jews for Jesus sites out there, and all cite various levels of abuse while with the organization.If I want to find out why someone does not believe, should I look to believers for…[Read more]

WJ,Yes, I list the reason why unbelieving Jews will not believe. Doesn't that make sense? Is that not the issue? There are other reasons they reject him of course, but the overwhelming theme I see from unbelieving Jews is the concept of the trinity and the supposed abolishment of the Law. Two things that aren't biblically true!Why should I find…[Read more]

WJ,Actually, none of it is merely my opinion. From http://judaism.about.com/library/3_askrabbi_o/bl_simmons_messiah3.htm

C. TORAH OBSERVANCEThe Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet.…

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WJ,I get what you're saying, but I think you might not be recognizing Paul's intent in 1 Cor 14. He does say tongues are good, but note how he says that the one who speaks in tongues only builds himself up. In other words, it does the church no good. The CEV, while dynamic, aids a little in understanding.1Co 14:4 (CEV)  By speaking languages that…[Read more]