John 16:33These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Kerwin,It's good to see you are using the Youngs Literal translation.I see where you are coming from, with what those verses say.I just think theres more to this than that. I'll be looking more into them, when I have some time.

Istari,Further to what I posted,For you to believe that Jesus was an Angel, you are not alone. Adventists believe it, as do the JWs. So, really, its no big thing. Im sure you wont be judged on whether you are right or wrong on this. Life goes much beyond things like that. A person could acquire all of the text of scripture but still know nothing…[Read more]

Bod,Hi. Iv forgotten. What is it that Muslims belief Jesus was, again? (before coming to Earth)..Do they believe Jesus pre-existed, because it seems to be the topic in the other part of the forum a lot. So whats your view?

Kathi,Quote Istari;Quote Can we move from Jacob to some other contribution. The point of this thread is to examine what an Angel is so please submit any other points, please!

Quote (Istari @ April 23 2011,02:33)Hi Kar,The point of the man becoming like the Angels in heaven is simp to say that there is no intersexual relationship between Angels.The woman had several husbands so the question was 'Who single husband would she be?'Jesus replied, 'It won't matter because there will be no husband and wife in the new world…[Read more]

OK Irene, I just went off topic for some reason. Ill try not to! Maybe someone could start a thread on it. (on marriage and if a women should speak/teach etc) I cant right now.

Hi Jay. It was on page one of this thread.The only reason I put it was because of this:With Moses;Exodus 34;29 It happened, when Moses came down from Mount Sinai with the two tablets of the testimony in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mountain, that Moses didn't know that the skin of his face shone by reason of his speaking with him.…[Read more]

Irene, those verses mean something to me and some things I have been through, but its sort of off topic.

Kerwin, I agree.

Quote (Istari @ April 22 2011,22:03)Can we move from Jacob to some other contribution.The point of this thread is to examine what an Angel is so please submit any other points, please!Jay, you missed my point. Acts 6;“And as Stephen stood up to answer the high-priest all fixed their eyes upon him; and they saw that his face was shining, as though…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 22 2011,21:19)Hi Kar,Yes… I didn't read the question properly because I thought Kathi's question would have been about 'Mother' which was the point from two other threads.It may be that Kathi realised she couldn't win on that so shifted the emphasis to the Father.Therefore, for me, this thread is pointless : there is only…[Read more]

But Kathi, God isn't a Man, so I dont think you can compare God with Man in that way. Man was made in Gods image, but I don't think thats physical body image. That would be more to do with our spiritual side because thats what God is. Especially love because God is love, it says.

Kathi, that is what I was saying so i'm agreeing with you, and also with Istari, from his (mans) point of view too. There is really two points of becoming a father, at conception, and then again after the birth.

Terrarica, thats right, the source.

Istari, (did you pick c?)The biological father becomes a biological father at conception. You cant say he biologically became a father after it was born,….if so, then that was quick! But I agree with you, he only becomes a father, in the other way, at birth.

Biologically is different to actuallity. The unborn child is still growing.

A Father doesnt start being a Father untill a child is born. Otherwise he is just a Father to be.

Acts 6;“And as Stephen stood up to answer the high-priest all fixed their eyes upon him; and they saw that his face was shining, as though it was the face of an angel. As they heard these things, they became so angry against Stephen that they gnashed on him with their teeth, like wild beasts. But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up toward…[Read more]

Hahaha, that is such a funny question, when does the biological father become a biological father.Id like to know who picked…c…Did you know that a virgin can become a mother, it happens, but usually the child born is 100% identical to the mother and always a girl, so Jesus was unique in this, so my mother said.