Mike,Even if the 'change' that was read is just from that site, it drew out some interesting impossible concepts about the Trinity.Like, Who is God?'previously/currently', it is believed that NONE of the Three is God alone.Therefore, how can the Holy Spirit be the Spirit of the Father, and be a separate person, and be the Spirit of God?And the Son…[Read more]

Trinitarian assertion:Whatever is begotten of God is God.Wasn't King David 'Begotten of God'?I just don't get it…Why the use of 'Begotten' when it is simple enough to say, 'Created', or 'Born', appropriately.What is the difference in USAGE in 'Born' and 'Begotten'?Don't anyone say they are the same?Begotten, to me feels like 'obtained by',…[Read more]

Nick,Did Jesus give up his spirit to his Father when he died on the cross?WJ and KJ are both trying to be deceitful by claiming that there is only 'One Spirit' even when it is clear that I am refering to 1) the Holy Spirit, and 2) The Spirit of Jesus and/or the Spirit of a man.Now you appear to be towing their line. Why?

To all,I have revealed a Trinity 'change of doctrine' to some in this forum by PM, but I now reveal it in public:The Trinity doctrine 'now' does NOT state that the three are 'CoEqual Gods' but that they are 'CoExistent and CoEternal'.This is a very significant shift in their belief.But wait, I love that, …there's more…The Father is now the…[Read more]

Gene,Thanks. And you are right.But you are only expanding on what I am saying. I am well aware of these benefits to man. I was constraning my point to Jesus and the angels.One of my interests is exactly on this point and U was seeking a thread to express my thoughts in.By the way, I would advice changing the 'US's and 'WE's to 'Them' and 'They' or…[Read more]

To all,Sorry if i'm a little late with some input.Morning Stars… Son's of God…Who are the Morning Stars?  as opposed to the 'All' the Son's of God?Jesus ends up as the Bright and Morning Star. Wasn't it Satan who was first ascribed the title 'Morning Star'? The morning star that tried to sit on the mount (Throne) of God?So, was he Not the…[Read more]

Mike,It's as I said.WJ agrees with what I have written but his pride won't allow him to say so. So he feigns a ridiculous, plainly crafted, response just to say he responded.What was written was quite clear and unambiguous. There was no purpose to that response other than as I just said.

Kar,No need to be sorry about the length of the post.It is just right.And the content is justified.

This is so funny:”If you don't believe Jesus is a paradox then you haven't studied enough Christology”If you don't believe a lie then you obviously haven't learnt properly…Also, can I Just Ask someone, a Trinitarian preferably:Does Jesus have a God? Who is that God?Does the Holy Spirit have a God? Who is that God?Does the Father have a God? Who…[Read more]

Kar,I've said before. You are sooo coool.I love your simplicity.It warms my heart to read your uncomplicated exposition…God the FatherJesus the Son.Praise the Son; Worship the Father!Simple as! “For the Father seeks such ones to worship him”Kar, you are ready for refinement, ready for the deeper elements of Gospel Truth.

Jesus: “If you see Me then you see the Father also”Thomas: “My Lord (Jesus) and My God (The Father)”

Nick,No thanks.

Hi Nick,Can you answer in Mike's thread so others can follow the flow.Cheers.

Mike,The new Trinity doctrine does not include 'CoEqual'.It says, 'CoEternal and CoExistent'Also, it says that the Father is the source of all things and the Son is subordinate to the father but superior to the Holy Spirit.Not all Trinitarians, it seems, are yet aware of this change or else we wouldn't be disagreeing with them so much!Of course,…[Read more]

Mike,Thanks for the heads up on monogenes.Couple of things.All that I wrote was strictly in reference to the point in question concerning the beginning.This keeps the discussion tight, limited to time before the Son's change, the 'emtying of his divinity (undying state) coming to earth and thence after.

Hi All again,Can someone just explain to me, in simple terms, where a Son comes from, how one called 'Son' comes into being? Formed, Born, created, extruded, plucked from, etc.God was alone, I understand, 'monogenes', is that right?Then He 'Formed' another God from Himself. Is this right?This 'other God', 'Jesus…to be named', He entitled 'Son',…[Read more]

Hi all,Can someone show me where God created the angels.Thanks.

Nick,, Lord of the Rings…

Hey,, i got an email today concerning the Trinity.Apparently the Trinity has Dropped the 'CoEquallity' and replaced it with 'CoEternal' and 'CoExistent'…whatever they mean.The Trinity now accepts heirachiallity of the three and explicitly states that the Father is Greater than Jesus and that they ALL have different Qualities… But yet are still…[Read more]

WJ,You don't need to answer my questions.I don't need you to answer my questions.I'm not asking you questions because I don't know the answer. I ask the question to try and help, guide you to the truth.You are at perfectly liberty to not respond…and i have mentioned this to you before … That you entertain too many posts.Do you agree that I…[Read more]