Brother T,This does not answer the question. When did Satan FALL.The question is actually “Open”. The asker doesn't frame the question adequately.After the 70 returned in triumph to Jesus – Jesus exclaimed “I saw Satan fall from Heaven like a lighten strike”…Satan 'fell' from grace when sin was found in Him before he caused Adam to sin.But which…[Read more]

HI Mike,I wouldn't put much store by LightenUp either… and as for Eusebius – didn't he play for Portugal? oh, Eusebio, sorry?You know, all this external reference – I get all my information direct (ok, the odd Google) – but I just read my bible – Who is to say Churchullian, Eusebio, Jason Donavon, Justin Martyr… names I heard weren't just…[Read more]

Hi Jodi-Lee,How, among all that you posted, did you manage to skip this:     Luke 10:18 “I saw Satan fall like a lightning-flash out of Heaven,”?You write it, then ignore it.

That's SF for ya… “So Funny”SF, I agree…David… I think it is because the answer is SO OBVIOUS everyone thought it embarrassing to respond.David, don't lose heart – you are right!

Arnold,”Why do you not understand my mode of speech!” -Is there anyone who understands me yet?I do NOT believe in any way shape or form that the world was created in 7 (rotations of the earth on it's axis) days … Goodness Gracious George … I was just going along with SF's timeline…In any case, your questions are valueless: You start out when…[Read more]

Katjo,EVEN IF Hell is as you say, us denying it does not make ANY difference. Both YOUR outcome and OUR outcome are the same: The Sinner is cut off permanently from GodAlso, neither of US, ANY of US are NOT saying “Fear God … but Love God”.To Fear God is to fear what NOT loving Him of our Free Will will result in.To love God is to know…[Read more]

Ah, so when Paul begot Onesimus (Philemon 1:10) it means Paul gave birth to him.Ah, and, when Abraham begot Isaac as his Only Son, he somehow rebirthed him as first son ahead of Ishmael.Ok. I can see that!So onto Jesus being 'begotten' 'Today'?These are my last two questions so please make them comprehensible, i'm feeling a little out of my depth…[Read more]

Katjo,You are misreading the intent of the Scriptures that you quote.I detect that you are 'desiring horror'. Some people love being scared, frightened, even seek out fearful situations and undulge in them (You know the type: Peeping through slitted fingers at a gruesome scene while professing to 'hate' what they are seeing! I know a woman who…[Read more]

t8, Kar,This is wonderful stuff from you both.Katjo, you have been here before and know what to expect!Bod, please try a little harder to understand. You are not a million miles from Truth, Islam and Christianity are not completely dissimilar.Personally, and this is me, say 'we don't care…', but bringing other religions, quoting from them in…[Read more]

SF,Yes, it most certainly was 'after the seventh day'. Is that what you actually meant to ask?Surely the question is 'How long was it after after man was created before Satan sinned and  then when, after that, did he 'fall' from Heaven'Satan was not dismissed from heaven immediately after he conned Adam into sinning. And my feeling is that it was…[Read more]

Nick jnr, I gettit!Do you not do cryptic crossword puzzles?With a stick to beat: CaneOld soldier in armour: KnightBefore the end of the day: Day Gone”Cane” with “knight”… Canannite,Day Gone…Dagon.The Cannannites called someone other than YHVH …or Jesus, their God.Note that WJ was drawing you in by including 'Jesus' here.Your response should…[Read more]

Hi Mike,Being anointed, alone, is only half the story. Anointing just means 'being picked out', 'set apart'. The 'begetting' comes later.David was anointed with Holy Oil by Samuel long before he became begotten and made King.Mordecai, set apart from the other jew by refusing to bow to Haman. Haman sins and falls out of favour with the king, falls…[Read more]

Could someone just explain the difference between 'Born' and 'Begotten' and how and when each is used along with Scriptural verses (other than, 'of Jesus' where again i ask: Which 'Today' before days was he begotten?), please, please,Responses are being Posted that don't answer the question. Is there a reasin for this?Or else I will form my own…[Read more]

RM,I'm sorry, or rather Nart…the temptation to wallow in glory is not there.My post WAS deliberately mocking.You evidently don't know me.I wasn't JUST ASKIN because I didn't know…you rightly detected the mock tone at the end.My posts are often multilayered. Stick around, you may begin to see it.By the way, that above was single layered.I…[Read more]

David,Please try not to stress over KJ's nonesense.He is on a rampage over being trashed elsewhere in the forum.He 'has gone off to make war with the offspring of the woman' (Revelation 12:17)When he posts some outlandish nonesense, just ignore him.He is laughing when he posts this stuff watching you get into strife trying to make sense of it, let…[Read more]

Ah, Mike. I see. You mean at Pentecost. Ok.The answer is 'no', because that was more of a mass baptism with the limited amounts of Holy Spirit given to each individual.Jesus' was 'without measure'

or,with a stick to beat an old soldier in armour before the end of the day, perhaps?

Mike,Before the nite came, the day was gone.

Hi Mike,I'm interested in this that you are disputing..But I don't know who the 'others' are that were anointed with the Holy Spirit.Just for completion and to expedite a timely response, can you point out who these others are.Regards,JA.

His logic escapes me but his reason and purpose do not!