Mike,I don't know if you are composing a response to the questions in my last post to you, but can you show me, very simply, from Scriptures, 'Where and When' it says that God 'begot' 'Jesus'.Please remember that we are discussing 'Today, I have begotten you'If you can do so then that will close this chapter.Mike, Are you also following, no need…[Read more]

Mike, Nick, Kathi,You are all right… Just expressing the same things in different ways.Mike, I saw the Joke. I was gonna respond but Nick nicked my quip.LU, Mike is having a ball…wid ya' lightenup!There is no such word as 'Trinitarian' just as there is no such word as 'binitarian' (Binarian?) so it is open house on it's definition and usage.…[Read more]

The level of wisdom and understanding among the brothers is falling…Nick, Raised…? Raised has a number of meanings… Can you think of one other than being born or 'familially raised, brought up, perhaps, there is a clue!' ?Mike, you said you'd try my next cryptic question.Try that one?WJ, KJ, …others, seem to deliberately misunderstand…[Read more]

Hi Mike,I keep askin you to just keep it simple…as I am.There is one simple question: why does the Scripture writer use the word…or term… “Begotten” instead of “Born” or “Created”?Nothing is written in Scriptures for 'just happen to be there' reasons.You ignored the examples I gave of retrospectiveness.Can I ask why? Is it because it made…[Read more]

Lu,At last someone else has demonstrated something I have been doing for quite a while… Did anyone take note that I often quote the name 'Jesus' or write 'pre-Jesus' or 'He who would be called Jesus'However, it's only to be noted rather than made a burden or stumbling block. It matters not as long as it is understood that the name was given for…[Read more]

KathiWhat Nick just said is right.

What is this that Ignatius says..'Jesus is our Lord God' and yet is held up as great theologian scholar?

Gah!Firstborn… Why are you guys at odds with each other over simple concepts for so long?One of you is arguing 'firstborn by birth, or creation' … And the other is arguing 'firstborn by Spiritual Rebirth, Raised in rank order, Given the preeminent position'Neither of you will ever agree at this level of understanding.Yes, Jesus was at the…[Read more]

Mike,Was God Jesus' Father before being raised from the dead… I thought that was such a silly question, I thought it must have been retorical and therefore didn't require a response.But, if you are insisting…What did Jesus say?Did he not claim God as his Father…'Did you not know that I must be about my Father's business?'…'My Father is…[Read more]

Mike,I don't deal with phylosophical debate, So have no interest in what 'roo' said or what a man down the pub/bar told you.My interest is in the Scriptures.Everything we need to know is in the Scriptures.

Mike,Firstborn from among the dead so he is preeminent.Mike, is something wrong…?

Mike,While the 'we will' is still the 'we will' then the 'only begotten' remains 'only begotten'…simples, yeah!

Katjo,Can you explain how, when he emptied himself of his divinity, he was 'still God'? God cannot die – God is immortal – God is eternal.And, when he died…As what did he die, God or Man?And, if he died as God, then what does Scriptures say concerning those who do not believe that this didn't happen?

Katjo,Can you explain how, when he emptied himself of his divinity, he was 'still God'? God cannot die – God is immortal – God is eternal.And, when he died…As what did he die, God or Man?And, if he died as God, then what does Scriptures say concerning those who do not believe that this didn't happen?

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Ok,Wisdom was 'by his side as a mastercraftsman'.This then reconciles with Scriptures that say that God created the Heavens and the Earth…and that Jesus also creared the Heavens and the Earth.

Just a point of order: If Wisdom is 'pre-Jesus' then Wisdom is declaring that God created everything while Wisdom looked on.How does reconcile with Scriptures declaring Jesus as the creator?Can anyone answer this?

Any one else got any input.There are some interesting views being shown here.Can anyone add to what has been said here.Which is the most beautiful planet in the Solar System?Which is the second?SF, sorry, there is a fullstop missing after 'second'.

Hi Mike,Nick Hassan, (thank you, Nick), has suggested Romans 1:4 be looked at.Tell me what you think of it.I thought you said that you would be willing to change your mind if you were shown the truth.Even if Jesus was 'begotten' by God before the beginning of time Scriptures does not show that.What Scriptures shows is that Jesus emptied himself of…[Read more]

Mike,The only Begotten Son of God who is at the side of the Father, He has made Him known.Does the 'is at' suggest 'past' (was) or 'present' (currently)? Plug it the appropriate one…Yes, Jesus, raised from the dead, begotten as head of all the sons of God, seated at the righthand of his Father, that one has, in his lifetime on earth, has made…[Read more]