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WJ,Thanks for that – I do think that it is time that these “blocking” issues are put to bed.Context, Context, Context (Why three times…!) Don't try to force fit the Scriptures and it will all become clear.Force fitting will only lead to tripping yourself up later on – but the FF'er will be hoping that noone remembers what he said…Context:…[Read more]

To All,Can I ask what it is that is in dispute here?Excuse me if I seem to be failing to understand – but is it not perfectly obvious what is being spoken of here:”In fulfillment of his own purpose he gave us birth by the word of truth, so that we would become a kind of first fruits of his creatures.” (…and derivatives)Jesus is the 'Firstborn'…[Read more]

And Gene, when you are asked the question, 'what does Jesus mean by ''what if you see the son of man ascending to where he once was''?' what do you say to that?Or 'Father, glorify me now, with the glory I had with you before the workd was?'And also where Scriptures says that Jesus 'created all things and maintain all…[Read more]

Irene,The problem is in 'refinement' of knowledge.Taken at it's most simplistic level, it is obvious that 'firstborn' means 'the first in line by birth'.Ok, hold that thought and run with it through everything in Scriptures. Does it work? always? Why not?When one comes across Isaac being Abraham's 'firstborn', what do you do? Skip over it and read…[Read more]

Point of definition, Gene,”A”, is the 'indefinite article'. Can apply to many of the same sort.There is only one 'The' but many 'a's.”A son of man”… A flesh and blood human.”The Son of man” … As we know that 'man' is many the this means 'A specific flesh and blood human', 'The flesh and blood human in question”So yes, both, but…[Read more]

SF,Worship God, your Father, for all that he has done for you and honor his Son, Jesus Christ.Pray daily and at any moment you feel the desire. Pray to God through His Son and declare your sinfulness, asking for forgiveness and that you, too, may also forgive your desenters and detractors.Ask for what you need, if that need is ultimately going to…[Read more]

'Name' means 'power'.Jesus was made 'lower' than the angels, made in the form of flesh, for the purpose of glorifying the Father.Just as Pharoah was made mighty so God would throw him down, so the Son was made low so God would raise him up.Pharoah, Made mighty in power, ruled by the 'power of his name', 'power in his name'.Jesus acquired power…[Read more]

To All,Please try to abide by this information that KJ has issued.Discussion cannot move forward if inadmissable information is brought into play – whether by lack of understanding or for other reasons.

Did someone miss a trick earlier….If Mike and 'roo' are debating and Mike is also the Mediator? remind anyone of anything…

All,Jesus was 'firstborn of God in the Flesh' means that he has the Holy Spirit without Measure, a 'Son of God'Adam was 'The Firstborn in the Flesh Son of God'Jesus was begotten/born of man in the flesh, was anointed at the river Jordan with the Full Measure of the Holy Spirit, baptised 'with the Holy Spirit' as 'Son of God'When Jesus was baptised…[Read more]

Nick, at the river jordan jesus was when he was anointed.He was declared to be the Son of God. That is not then same as being begotten.I think you are mixing up two different things. Perhaps that's why I canlt understand what you on about.The verses in scriptures all allude to his 'spiritual rebirth from the dead'…hebrews 11:19, in the manner of…[Read more]

Nick,I find your one liners quite hollow.I have no idea what they are supposed to mean.Do you any opinions or ambitions except to quote unlinked scripture verses.Do you feel somehow righteous or pious because you can write out a random statement.I could write a computer program to do that.Let me show you how…oh, you already know…!Nick,…[Read more]

Nick,Thank you for your input.

NAME is power and Authority.Jesus inherited power and authority that was higher than the power and authority that he had before he came to earth.The Princes are superior to the other Sons of God.

Nick,Thank you for you input.

Mike, Was it God who gave His only begotten Son? Or was it Paul who said that 'after' the fact that Jesus was begotten?Where does God call His Son 'Begotten' before he was raised from the dead?”He who would become begotten of God was sent into the World to save it and once having done so having also been faithful unto death, was again raised up -…[Read more]

KJ,”Not all JW's are wrong”…Just as not all Desperarian are always wrong…And for this reason I advocate that all contributions are read without prejudice for the contributor. And that acknowledgement is shown where there is agreement, not just the negative, disagreement points.Who knows, it could even cause one to be positively drawn to the…[Read more]

Jodi Lee,That was a massive and most intense post.How long did it take you to put it together?One thing: Are you sure Satan was not opposing God? Did he not challengenGid, Accuse God, and thus God 'allowed' him to do his worst with Job, snything, everything, except take his life?

Guys,This thread is entitled, 'Born or Begotten'.If you are not discussing 'Born or Begotten', or some minor deviance, could you not post in here please.(Moderator)