Gene,The only sinful things in the world are man and the fallen angels.Man is born in sin 'and falls short of the glory of God'.Every man is in sin and needs to repent, even the one that has not yet physically sinned.I think there is a human desire to think of babies as innocent. This is wrongful thinking…it is based on emotion. Emotion cannot…[Read more]

SF,Perhaps the number of times you post and then apologise for simething you forgot or didn't have time to explain or didn't explain right…. Has something to do with it.Man creates… You going too deep…yes, and i hate the word 'invent' even though i perfectly understand what it means….What i'm saying is that man is in the likeness, the…[Read more]

To all,Should it not be questioned why others other than the debaters are posting in this thread?However, as it appears that the debate has run it's course with no winners, I think, seeing that Mike is also a moderator, that this thread is now open to allcomers.

SF,It's great that you can quote Scripture verses (Copy and Paste).How about a little explanation of your copypaste Script…we can all google: 'Image God Jesus'!Do you notice that none say 'He is the VISIBLE image of God'Is the image of the invisible, the visible?Someone is straining to make something out of what is not there?Bring it down to…[Read more]

Gene,Then you quote out of context.You imply that we are only sinful because of what is in the world and our lust for it. so, isolate a man…does not change his nature, even from birth…We are born IN sin.A child is 'innocent' of his sin until he learns the law.But even if he does not 'learn' the law , he still knows the law of God that is in…[Read more]

To All,I am posting already posted information:The Trinity Doctrine has now DROPPED the “Co- Equal” part of its Creed.It now reads, 'They are CoExistent and CoEternal, of one substance, and the Father is greater than the Son, and the Son is greater than the Holy Spirit, and the Father and the Son are both greater than the Holy Spirit'The only…[Read more]

Gene,Since  everyone is born neither good nor evil (you choose two excitable words, I see) and acquire our 'sin' through what the 'lust' that in the world, do you think then that we could 'grow' a sinless person by keeping him 'from the world' from new born baby through to adulthood.I know, make him deaf, dumb and blind, like the three wise…[Read more]

To All,Mike is right in his contrast of 'God ' and all other references to 'God', or 'god'…This has been gone over so many times. It is as if the 'few people' in this forum have repetitive amnesia.Oh, i forgot, you do. Did i already say that?It's like the few people in this forum have repetitive amnesia.What is 'God'? The word 'God' is a Title,…[Read more]

Nick,On page 3, you asked if maybe JA could explain 'that verse'.So far, Edj seems to have gotten in the middle of me asking you about it…and you seem to not know what I'm asking…so gives between the two of you, swapped heads and forgot to take your brain with you, or, swapped heads and can't figure out how the control in your new head…

Nick,I have no idea what you are saying…Which verse were you askin me to just explain?

Edj,,Glad to know that you can copy and paste text….What are you saying….are you too turning into a 'Nick Hassan'?What is the fascination?Do you somehow imagine it make you look wise… far from it, my man!OK, Start again and tell me what you on about?

To All,There is nothing incredible about the miracles and other 'special' things that Jesus did…….Did Jesus not, himself, say, 'If you had Faith as much as the tiniest seed, you could say to the mountain, ''fall into the sea'' and it would do'.Did Peter not 'Walk on the water' because he had Faith 'for a few moments'Were not many people Healed…[Read more]

Nick,Which verse is that?

RM,YOu make me laugh like WJ and KJ… I almost forgot you are like them – Not the trinity thing but the really odd way you think.”Fire” – Are you saying we don't understand what or how fire ….! My Cousin is a Foreman – I think he understands…Ha ha – What a laugh… Fire is “Untethered Energy” – an outburst – Untethered but yet can be…[Read more]

RM,I think it you that is making out that “We” are saying those things.Nearly EVERYONE except Gene believes that Jesus was preExistent in Spirit and then became Man born of the Holy Spirt.Born of the Holy Spirit means that God put a Blessed and Pure Spirit into him –  so Jesus was born sinless.This meant that he HAD the Holy Spirit on Him while…[Read more]

RM,Is that it… Think a little harder…please!

HI kar,I'm still missing some understanding:Quote Genesis 1:26-28:Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.”So God created man in His own…[Read more]

Oxy,The simple … is easy – try the refined…!”Begotten” mean more than just “born from a father”.Can you list some of the other meanings/definitions – just so I know that you know what you are talking about.?

theordorej,Thank you also for your understanding.

All,Yes, I said this elsewhere recently:Quote Nick,No and yes.No: All human being are born into a sinful state (Sinful man cannot create sinless man – that's why Jesus was created by the Holy Spirit – The Life/Mind Force from the Spirit but the Flesh/Dust body from Mary)Yes: “Innocent” of Sin – but even infants will be judged on the last day -…[Read more]