SF,It is the Spirit that reveals.By myself I would know nothing but conjecture.Pray to 'God Almighty' through Jesus Christ, our reigning Spiritual King, and acknowledge His greatness and glory.Ask for forgiveness of your sins and the strength and desire to forgive your detractors.Also, humility, wisdom and understanding in dealing with others and…[Read more]

Jerry,What is it about God creating man 'in his image' that you cannot understand such that you search out some hitherto unknown version of Scripture stating 'and creating the alueim humanity in His image'Where is the 'future' part.Did God not create Adam in His image?In the fullness of time, Jesus became a Spirit man, that is, a Spirit with a…[Read more]

Stu,Thanks for your honest reply.Can you tell me what makes you not believe.Or what you 'do' believe.

Mike,Did you anwser the point about John 17:3 etc.Puzzle:Which came first, the Chicken or the Egg?Who came first, 'the Son' or 'the begotten Son'?

WJ,You perk up the Scripture verse in James concerning God not being able to be tempted by evil.What other kind of 'temptation' is there?Why stop short in your expansion of the verse to the full quote and then drop off.Can one be 'tempted to do good'?Surely, accepting a temptation means taking a shortcut towards a personal benefit. And that is…[Read more]

ok.

And unto JA, Mike says, 'You are my brother, today you have made some good points'Mike, only 'today'?Gene, greatful for the complement, but prefer if you make contributions with conscientious thought.Do you get paid to push your theory? You must be rich,… Or so poor you need to keep doing it?See, you got me attacking you!Shall i write some…[Read more]

Noone has seen God at anytime except those that are in heaven.Only sinless ones can look upon God's face and there are no sinful ones in God's heaven, in the eyesight of God for all is pure righteousness in his throne room.God always does his work through a third party.When God 'appears' anywhere on earth, even the mountains melt awaym and the…[Read more]

Mike,I was going to extend it to 'seven levels of recursion' thats why i layed it out the way i started.

KJ,In your debate with t8, you are discussing 'True God and Eternal life and who is alotted to which phrase.Have you considered the more lucid verse in John 17:3, which speaks of the same thing and is directly from Jesus?Jesus quit clearly states that his Father is the 'Only True God'

S'truth Gene,Are you still pushing ''whatever''?Did you ever respond to … And whatn about Jesus saying he was going back to where he came from. John 16 and 17.If you have then please show me where or indulge me and write it again here.I'm fascinated by your'potential' response.Thank you.

Guys,What if you were to have a debate about these issues. Use that debate to sort out the problems with the debate issues. Would that not help to then get SF's original debate idea off the ground?A kind of 'debate, about 'the debate, about 'the debate that SF was discussing'''

Gene,If we were discussing purely earthly matters then possibly so.But it appears this is nothing to do with any opinion you have because this is 'prexstnts vs prexstnts'Mike is arguing pre-Jesus. Therefore you arguing what you argue is moot. It does not help in the discussion.If we, Mike and me (or whomever) has already agreed terms, that is,…[Read more]

There is no references to what the penalties are for transgressions.The 'one week max' should also include a mitigating circumstances…'The referee and the opponent must both be informed of a mitigation'

KJ,Please answer t8's question. It is a reasonable request and inline with the debate.

Mike,One thing that does come out of this, is this:John 18:37. Jesus says, chronologically,concerning his kingship, '…for this cause I was born (Isn't born meant to be 'from by a woman?), AND, for this cause I have into the world…'Now, here Jesus claims he was 'Born'. Then he 'came into the world'…One before the other. Or does the order not…[Read more]

Mike,You are genius.I knew there was a reason I begot you as brother.Yes, simple, eh?To get to the other side.Do you know how many wise scholars have struggled with that puzzle and the answer is right in front of them?Not to overlabour a point but what does it mean when John quotes Jesus in John 17:3, saying, 'And this is eternal life, that they…[Read more]

Please, children..do not squabble.You are both right. You argree …ha ha… Yes, ARGREE! let it be so.It is not Jesus who said 'he' or 'it' but the human Scripture translaters.It matters not whether 'he' or 'it' for my friends car is a 'she' cos of reasons i am reluctant to explain in this forum…! Is 'she', the car, then a sentient being? She…[Read more]

Stu,I don't know you so can I just ask what you don't believe, or what you do believe?

Tim,You still not getting it.Adam WAS cut off.God dismissed him from His presence. It was not illision. It was REAlity.God cursed the earth for their sake. He made the man 'work for his living among the dust of the earth'. This means that God withdrew the Holy Spirit from Adam…this is cutting off… But He put in place a process of recovery. The…[Read more]