Mike,Did you see what i wrote to kathi…External study is not “OUTLAWED” by me – It is the continuous reference as if they are Gospel: “Fred, down the local cider bar, said that Jesus was married to Mary Magdelene and he showed me in the scriptures 'this proof' and that proof'!”.Telling everyone what “Fred” said carries no swing, isn't that…[Read more]

Mike, ditto…

LU,Shakespeare said “As you like it” and he was right!

Mike,What do you hope to achieve from 'proving' that pre-Jesus was 'birthed' by God?it is obvious that pre-Jesus CAME INTO EXISTENCE at some point before the foundation of the earth, yeah, the World!Is this what you are hung up on – That Jesus CAME INTO BEING by being BIRTHED buy God – Man, that is short-course thinking because EVERYTHING was…[Read more]

Mike,I accept your apology.

Hi Lu,And what have you learnt from Ignatius that you could not have learnt from Scriptures?And what have you learnt from Ignatius that another has not disputed?The teachings of these others is for the ones at that time – that is why there is so much controversy over what they said or didn't say, did or didn't do and therefore each can pick from…[Read more]

Mike,I just read that post on page 65…Talk about extreme – but you know what – maybe you are right. YOU ARE NONE of my Business…First up – I don't need to read what Ignatious, Tertullian, Erasmus, or Prosmetus said. They aren't in the Scriptures – so all that they said is pointless – might as well believe Stephen Hawkin or that one who claimed…[Read more]

RM,You are right when you say “Funny how people rationalize and choose to see what they want to see..”Because that is exactly what you just did!RM, There are four major players in the whole Revelation scenario: 1) a) God Almighty : “He who is, was, and will be” (which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty) b) The One seated on…[Read more]

DBF,Now you are posting positively. Your post is as Shimmer says.

SF,There is no such thing… A human Judge can only make human judgements therefore it must be that some decisions are not 'final' but there must be and end (like death) to everything.Therefore, unless you want an everlasting debate, it must be accepted that, right or wrong, there has to be a FINAL 'winner' – I did say there was a case for…[Read more]

Shimmer,I agree with what you say…except the 'worse false doctrine'. This is just scaremongering.What is 'worse doctrine' is that doctrine that denies Jesus, his coming from heaven, his life as 'man, and only as man, not God in disguise, or man and God combined, his death and resurrection' and denial of his testimony'.This/Those are, the “Worse…[Read more]

SF, Call me “Judge Dread” but “JAudge” is good too. (Ha – you should have called Edj to be judge then you could have called him (you got it already) “Judge Edj”!Please can you both post a list of 5 points (or as many as you can manage) that point to who you each claim is on the Throne along with your 'Scriptural Proofs'.The one with the most…[Read more]

Can I interject to say that both WJ and KJ have always professed to Jesus being Divine, to be God .Even to denying that Jesus died on the cross (They say, at least Jack said and WJ concurred, that Jesus was alive in the spirit and went to preach to the dead of Moses' time while his, Jesus, body was in the grave/tomb).So how do they now say that…[Read more]

Mike, Simplyforgiven,It seems that both of you are at odds with the other, each posting their own understanding of whatever point is being debated.You both started out with the intention of managing a 'single point' ata time, but quickly fall away.It is hard to follow what either of you is posting as it seems you are both carrying on your own…[Read more]

Mike,I only study and 'preach' from the Scriptures.And this is what I'm trying to encourage you to do.You cannot question Eusebius or any 'early Church' writer. And you have already been down the road of learning how some backtracked on their own beliefs when put under pressure.I have not changed on anything of base values, refinement, yes, base…[Read more]

Mike,You petition Shimmer. To what end? To be against me? Are you betraying me? How much is it worth, 30 Shekels?Mike, Show me how you believe that the verses are about Adam, not what someone else says.I don't engage in 'someone else says', what do You say?There is no need for external input for the Scriptures, more than so.And the internet is…[Read more]

Gene,I'm making a point of pointless analysis: The “Analysis paralysis”…But all the same, it's good to see that you care.

Martian,If this is so what is the dispute?What is the post about: Arguing about a word that has only 'one definition' (BTW: No word only has one definition!)Well, lets see – What exactly do you mean by “One” and “Definition”?If 'the word' (what was it again?) only has One: a single or unique item, a unit, a number denoting … meaning, then that…[Read more]

Shimmer,This Anonymous is quite presumptuous, stating that they can bring anyone to God – I thought it was God that brought whom he wishes to the understanding THROUGH another – Who that ANOTHER is – is not theirs to boast about.Even so, if one feels that another is speaking truth and is compelled thereby then all is well, as DavidBFun states in…[Read more]

Mike,Have you heard of Faith (Thomas)?There you said it THREE TIMES Now (Peter)First Thomas, then Philip, Now Peter, who else Mike? Judas?Mike, there is no PROOF of ANYTHING in the Scriptures – that's why WJ can be in this Forum for 10 years revamping trinitarain twaddle every few months as if he had never known, heard, been found wanting and each…[Read more]