Shimmer,As i yours.

Everlasting past…… God aloneSome point in everlasting past….the angels are created.The heavenly order set in place…Seraphims, cherubims, archangels, other angels (All in heaven are spirit and are Angels…p.s. the name WE call them). They are ALL 'Sons of God'. There is no distinction in form, only in power and authority, their stations.…[Read more]

Edj,Are you saying that you have never seen what i posted in diagram, line drawing showing the heavenly order.When HTML5 becomes standard for webpages then i can draw full diagrams … And they will be interactive…shareable online, watch as i draw kinda thing… I used a demo already… Timezones will be the limiting factor.But i will try to…[Read more]

Edj, Gene,Thank you for your contributions. I'm not sure what to say.

Shimmer, you are indeed a blessed arbitrator.What you say is absloute truth.Has it not been outlined: three times 'begotten' but only once do by the declaration by God, 'Thou art my Son, Today i have become your father', this after he was raised up as is shown in Hebrews.Mike, you rightly exalt Shimmer…then listen to her.I know you, and you are…[Read more]

the reason for your noneanswer is because you realise you 'daren't answer'.Jesus embarasses powers …that means the Seraphims, and Cherubims…since the former only praise God, how and why did Jesus embarrass them publically?And, apart from Lucifer, of whom no one rebuke but said only, 'the Lord Rebuke you', and God said 'You are rebuked', how…[Read more]

Mike, you claim everything i ask xan be answered by scriptures…then do so…anyone can say 'it can be answered by Scriptures'…in fact, it is meaningless, because what is the question and what is the answer?Empty vessel.

Sorry, i missed the threat.Yes, please set up the debate…

Mike, you make yourself into a joke everytime you post now, so disarmed are you of anything to say.Every post now includes 'principalities' yet I answer you many times over….yet you keep saying, 'you don't answer'…yikes…what do you want, Mike man, 'Stay on the Mike, stay on the Mike!', sorry, a little DJ joke there! Means, keep sayin' what…[Read more]

Fractal Scriptures…The twelves Disciples, of whom one has fallen, the Son of perdition.The princes, of whom one has fallen.

Mikeboll64,ANGELS DO NOT RULE OVER MANKIND.Angels are messengers of God…worshippers of God, workers for God.What RULERSHIP do angels have.What RULERSHIP did Jesus have?Did Jesus RULE over anything before he came as Man?Satan, Lucifer, was 'given' the rulership of the earth when he chalkenged God….who was the Ruler of the earth before that.And…[Read more]

Mike 'master debator'…Well, you said it…That's the problem Mike, you li,e tge debate, not the truth….the end of a debate scares you so you can never finish, never end.”So, it is the you like. We are all ready to . It is the that you must prepare for!” (Paraphrase from 'Enter the Dragon')And you are Scared…that is obvious…you refuse to…[Read more]

Mikeboll,You really made me laugh tonight…So Jesus created Rulers of Angelic Spirits.You twist and turn until you slither a way out, claiming now that words don't mean what they mean but what you mean (the Queen in Alice in Wonderland)Which Ruler Angels are there?Were they sinful Ruler Angels when they were created? Where are these Ruler Angels…[Read more]

Terra,John 1:18…. What is John saying here?Is he not, again, pointing to the RISEN Christ in present tense.”…the only begotten who IS AT the father's side…'Terra, is that not 'present tense'?Is John not saying, 'He who is now begotten and now sitting at the father's side'?Keep reading 'John' with this 'present tense' in…

Terra,How on earth do you read 'begotten' to mean 'when Jesus was created'.Man, this is where you and Mike are going wrong.All the cases of 'Begotten' are pertaining to his being adopted by God as 'Spirit Son from Flesh Son' at his rising from the dead.Where are you reading that Jesus was 'begotten' as Angel? Meaning he was 'begotten as a created…[Read more]

Terra,Do not set me alongside Kerwin…else it really shows that you are not understanding who i am and what i believe.Seeing that I only use Scripture to attest to my claims, seeing that i can display diagramatically what I believe, seeing that I have no major changed views, how do you see me differently from how i was before?Who else can show,…[Read more]

Shimmer,Yes, if Jesus created the Angels…But, in fact, there are no scripture verses that say that…Principalities… Mike is stressing to me saying it means 'Angels'. But yet Romans 8:38 clearly says, '…neither death, nor life, nor ANGELS…nor PRINCIPALITIES, nor POWERS, nor thing PRESENT (Seen), nor things to come (Unseen), …… nor any…[Read more]

Terra,You doing the thing to me that others have accused you of…just posting scripture posts out of context.What you posting to me has nothing to do with what we discussing…this is three times now.In fact, i have no idea what it is you are asking in context of the topic of this thread.

Hi Shimmer,Funny, yes, I can be.'Firstborn over all creation', now what does really mean, and to what period of time is it directed at: When 'Jesus' came into being, or, after he was raised up?'Firstborn over All creation''Firstborn of All Creation''First born over all creation '?The first and the preeminent Son of God, first born in the spirit…[Read more]

Shimmer,See, Mike is paying you complements and 'warming' to the truth of what is being said to him, even though it is the same thing we been saying to him for weeks, months, ages…Little by little we egg him forwards but so damaged is he that only by the soft hand will he yield to indescribable full truth, prefering otherwise, the undesirable…[Read more]