Quote (t8 @ July 06 2013,01:36)but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.How can…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 06 2013,01:18)Okay. Let's say you have a son. You might anyway.Did you create your son?No.Did God create your son through you and your wife?If so, then did God create alone in the sense that you understand. If not, then you need to adjust your understanding of 'He ALONE created the world'.You can make the same argument with Eve.…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 05 2013,09:15)Further it says that nothing came without coming in this way. All creation was made by God through Jesus Christ. All creation was made by God through the Word. It matters not if you put Jesus or the Word in that statement. Because they are the same.I disagree. First, God tells us that He ALONE created the world. I…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 05 2013,09:15)Quote (jb2u @ July 04 2013,10:47)Why do you think that over and over the apostles refer to Jesus as “the man” and “this man”? And yet, they never talk about the preexistence of Jesus?Because it was Jesus coming in the flesh that opened the way for his death and salvation of those who dwell in flesh. The New Testament…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 05 2013,08:59)Quote (jb2u @ July 04 2013,09:15)To me, verse 8 is a restatement of verse 6/7, just in a different order.I see it more as..1) He was created in the image of God. (in the womb)Let me clarify. You are saying that existing in the form of God means being created in the image of God in the womb. That means you existed in…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2013,06:13)Quote (jb2u @ July 03 2013,13:15)I see it more as..1) He was created in the image of God. (in the womb)2) He did not seek to be equal to God. (knowing that he was the son of God, he still did not seek to be equal)3) But instead made himself of no reputation. (he did not seek to hold on to the status of being…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2013,06:11)Quote (jb2u @ July 03 2013,12:44)I COULD be wrong, BUT Paul could also be saying “from Heaven” because at the time of His writing..that is were Jesus was?Wouldn't “in heaven” fit that thought more accurately?  Why “FROM heaven” then?Well the short answer would be..Yes, “in heaven” would seem to fit; however,…[Read more]

Here is another question for you..Understand this verse..Psalm 83:1818 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth.Now, can Jehovah have a name “ALONE” if it is shared between two beings?May His Spirit guide you.

Why do you think that over and over the apostles refer to Jesus as “the man” and “this man”? And yet, they never talk about the preexistence of Jesus?These verses explain how I see Jesus..John 16:27-28For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.I came forth from the Father, and am come…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 01 2013,13:58)I strongly agree with what Mike says here. There is an order here and to take your view (jb2u), you have to agree with the order, except the first point, that he existed in the form of God.It's like the order of headship between God and the woman. You can take that order of headship, but have to make an exception…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 01 2013,12:27)Because there is a clear chain of events that takes place in Phil 2:6-8.  They are as follows:1.  Was existing in the form of God.2.  Emptied himself.3.  Was made in the likeness of a human being.4.  After being made as a human being, humbled himself and suffered.5.  Died on a stake.Are you able to see this…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 01 2013,12:17)Why then don't we say Adam is “from heaven”?  If they both did not have an earthly Father, but were produced directly by their heavenly Father, why does Paul DISTINGUISH the two in 1 Cor 15 by saying the first was of the dust of the earth, while the last was “from heaven”?Something to think about.Right now,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 03 2013,06:55)you said:Quote Even if you could prove that Peter is referring only to Jesus when He states “our God and Savior”, this does not prove that Peter is calling Jesus the Almighty God!!It is proving that Peter is calling Jesus OUR God and Savior. You say Jesus is no ones God/god. You do not agree with scripture…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 30 2013,11:20)Justin Martyr (ca. 150 A.D)But to the Father of all, who is unbegotten, there is no name given. For by whatever name He be called, He has as His elder the person who gives Him the name. But these words, Father, and God, and Creator, and Lord, and Master, are not names, but appellations derived from His good deeds and…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2013,07:39)Quote (jb2u @ June 29 2013,13:13)Agreed. And what is Jesus called..the SECOND Adam.1 Corinthians 15:45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.You seem to agree with verse 45, but how about verse 47?The first man is from the earth, made of…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2013,07:34)Okay, let's start with Phil 2, since t8 has already brought it up.5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:6 Who, existing in the form of God,    did not consider equality with God something to be grasped;7 rather, he made himself nothing    by taking the form of a ser…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2013,07:29)Quote (jb2u @ June 28 2013,15:44)This does not say, “He is my son.” It says, “He SHALL be my son, and I WILL be his father.”Hi jb,2 Samuel 7:14 NETI will become his father and he will become my son. When he sins, I will correct him with the rod of men and with wounds inflicted by human beings.We must remember…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 30 2013,05:58)Question to you: Are you going to admit that those 14 translations have this written it them in that verse 'our God and Savior Jesus Christ' or shall I set up a poll so your eyes will be opened?My eyes are not “opened” by polls!!The fact is the MAJORITY are nonbelievers. The MAJORITY do not live their lives…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 30 2013,05:54)If sharp's rule were influenced by satan, it wouldn't stand up to scrutiny. It stands! And, yes an unwritten rule of grammar can be written after it has been in use. Do you think languages begin with all the rules written out or does it evolve and become established and then the rules are realized?Answer to…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 30 2013,05:44)Those 14 translations Do call Jesus 'our God and Savior.' Are you blind? Shall we take a poll and show you that it is clearly written? Do you want to embarrass yourself?Peter knows just what he is saying. Both Jesus AND the Father are God in his understanding.First, Peter clearly shows that he sees God and…[Read more]