Quote (t8 @ July 09 2013,09:28)I believe God did it, not Jesus.But he did it through Jesus and for him.How? I don't know I wasn't there.There was a time when I was too young to know how God created me. And I am too young to know how God made all things through Jesus Christ.If we understand that “dia” can also mean “because of” or “for the sake…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 09 2013,09:19)Alone doesn't mean alone in existence, you would have to read too much into the text to say it meant that. The only way it could absolutely say alone in existence is to actually add the word existence. It simply means that he alone made all things, i.e., no one else made all things. So the Word that was with God can…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 08 2013,06:29)Quote (jb2u @ July 07 2013,08:47)I really appreciate you guys taking this “walk” with me. I really pray that God puts it on our hearts as to who is correct.Just for my clarification..Who do EACH OF YOU think Jesus was PRIOR to being born?1.  Now, I know that He wasn't God.2.  I know that He wasn't an angel, s…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 08 2013,06:11)From Dictionary.com:Synonyms:  accordingly, and so, consequently, ergo, for, for this reason, forasmuch as, hence, in consequence, in that event, inasmuch as, on account of , on the grounds, since, so, then, thence, therefrom, thereupon, thus, to that end, whence, wherefore Isn't saying all things were…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 08 2013,05:52)Quote (jb2u @ July 07 2013,08:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 07 2013,02:34)Quote (jb2u @ July 05 2013,06:56)I see “in the form of God” as “He was sinless.”So he emptied himself of his sinless form and took on a sinful form instead?That can't be right.No, I think you misread what I wrote.Jesus NEVER emptied…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 08 2013,05:48)Quote (jb2u @ July 07 2013,08:03)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 07 2013,02:30)Quote (jb2u @ July 05 2013,06:56)All this, I'd say, happened after His birth except #1……………This is the crux of Phil 2, IMO.  I can understand how someone who was existing in a form OTHER THAN a human being could be made into…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 08 2013,05:30)Quote (jb2u @ July 07 2013,07:13)And No, I'd say God could say that He created my son, but I'm really not sure about Him saying “I alone created.”WHO created your son?Deuteronomy 32:6Is he not your father, your creator? He has made you and established you.Malachi 2:10Have we not all one father? hath not one…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 08 2013,05:14)These are the two scriptures you listed before:James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.James 3:17  But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 09 2013,16:27)Quote (jb2u @ July 03 2013,15:51)Here is another question for you..Understand this verse..Psalm 83:1818 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth.Now, can Jehovah have a name “ALONE” if it is shared between two beings?May His Spirit guide you.Like I have…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 09 2013,16:20)Quote ANYONE who God GIVES authority to is a THEOS.I would dare say you cannot find that in scripture. Please show us where you think it says this.This is a VERY basic Biblical concept!! Do you really not know that ALL authority comes from God?Even satan is called “theos” in 2 Cor 4:4.Why? Because even satan…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 09 2013,16:20)Quote I never said that Jesus is not a theos.I didn't say that you did. I said that you said Jesus was a theos to 'no one'. Can you admit that? It is written publicly on the forum. If you deny this, I will find it and you might be embarrassed, so why not just admit that you did in fact say this.Please…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 09 2013,16:20)jb,The Granville Sharpe rule is talking about when there is a referent with the two nouns. Quote In native Greek constructions (i.e., not translation Greek), when a single article modifies two substantives connected by kai (thus, article-substantive-kai-substantive), when both substantives are (1) singular…[Read more]

I really appreciate you guys taking this “walk” with me. I really pray that God puts it on our hearts as to who is correct.Just for my clarification..Who do EACH OF YOU think Jesus was PRIOR to being born?Now, I know that He wasn't God.I know that He wasn't an angel, so says scripture.He was EXALTED higher than the angels because of His obedience;…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 07 2013,03:18)You forgot a couple.  Colossians 1:16 For through him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 07 2013,03:11)Quote (jb2u @ July 05 2013,07:40) Furthermore, if Jesus was the “word” in John 1:1, WHY did Jesus need to “grow in wisdom”? God's word IS wisdom!!The Greek word “logos” simply means “word”.  And just like with the English language, the word “word” means many things, and can metaphorically refer to even more…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 07 2013,02:37)It says “emptied himself”, or “made himself of no reputation”.These things are said in contrast to “existing in the form of God”, jb.”Took on the form of a servant” is also in contrast to “was existing in the form of God”.The idea is that he was not “in the form of God” at the same time he was “in the form of…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 07 2013,02:34)Quote (jb2u @ July 05 2013,06:56)I see “in the form of God” as “He was sinless.”So he emptied himself of his sinless form and took on a sinful form instead?That can't be right.No, I think you misread what I wrote.Jesus NEVER emptied himself of being sinless. BUT, IN SPITE OF BEING SINLESS..He did not seek to…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 07 2013,02:30)Quote (jb2u @ July 05 2013,06:56)1) He was created in the image of God. (in the womb)2) He did not seek to be equal to God. (knowing that he was the son of God, he still did not seek to be equal)3) But instead made himself of no reputation. (he did not seek to hold on to the status of being the son of God)4)…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 07 2013,01:49)jb,I must say how refreshing it is to discuss scripture with a person who gives honest answers to honest questions.  Many would either ignore my point completely, or pretend that “from heaven” and “in heaven” mean the same thing – even though they know in their heart it doesn't.With your answer above, you…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 07 2013,01:41)“FROM heaven” doesn't match something/someone currently being IN heaven.  Instead, it matches something that WAS in heaven, but then came FROM heaven TO earth.Agreed?My point is that Jesus being called “from heaven” does not mean that He HAD to literally come “from heaven” as a preexistent being. Quote Instea…[Read more]