Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 01 2013,05:43)JBQuote Quote(so this work is not included in any of the seven days ;so no time or space is given on it ,it as been built OUT OF TIME)I disagree because Genesis 1:1 STARTS with IN THE BEGINNING. This would BE the start of TIME. God does NOT have a beginning. EVERYTHING ELSE, including angels, are created “in…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 30 2013,09:45)what I want to discuss first is the seven days of creation ;and i would start with the first ;Genesis 1-1 Ge 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.this is what I have come to understand ; IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATE THE HEAVEN Col 1:15 He(the only begotten son of God ) is the image of the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 28 2013,12:43)Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 27 2013,12:49)From these verses we see that Jesus was foreknown by God, chosen by God, made in the womb of Mary, and received glory after his resurrection.I wholeheartedly agree with each and every one of those things, jb.Now, tell me which one of them prohibits Jesus from existing…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 28 2013,12:39)You said, If you do not ADD the words “human being” then it does make PERFECT sense!  What does that mean?Don't you believe that Jesus WAS a human being during #'s 1 through 4?  If so, then what does it hurt for me to outline Jesus' human nature as I go?  People do not go around putting “human being” in fr…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 28 2013,12:26)Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 27 2013,09:11)The point would be, that Jesus was like us, but resisted sin.So “image of God” refers to men who do sin, and “form of God” refers to men who don't sin?What does “outward appearance” have to do with whether or not a man sins?No. “Image of God” and “Form of God” are the same…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 28 2013,12:24)I know full well that the Greek word “morphe” means “outward appearance”.I have never thought that Jesus and his God share the same “essence”.  Jesus is a creation of God – just like the rest of us.I do apologize.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 28 2013,12:20)Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 27 2013,09:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2013,12:35)Agreed.  So the present tense “existing” in Phil 2 – WHEN FACTORED INTO THE PAST TENSE FORM OF THE STATEMENT AS A WHOLE – could easily be understood as a past tense “was existing in the form of God”, right?Wrong. Becuase, Jesus still…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 28 2013,09:39)Yes there is a lot to look at here.For now, I would like to say that there are quite a lot of scriptures that demonstrate that Jesus existed before coming in flesh. Many are direct quotes and others are indirect in that they require that he was with the Father in the beginning.This is the biggest problem I have with…[Read more]

I know that you do not want to “jump around”, but I have to say this. It is so, so important to me that you both read the scripture around this, without “firing back” first; instead, read the scripture and pray about the revelation of truth. I truly care about you both. I believe that, just like me, you both want to know the truth.Consider the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 27 2013,12:35)Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 26 2013,05:07)We can assume that Mike is not running anymore.Agreed.  So the present tense “existing” in Phil 2 – WHEN FACTORED INTO THE PAST TENSE FORM OF THE STATEMENT AS A WHOLE – could easily be understood as a past tense “was existing in the form of God”, right?Quote Agreed.  So the p…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 27 2013,11:11)The thing is, no one else goes around saying that they existed in the form of God. Yes we are made in the image of God and we can partake in divine nature, but Jesus is the image of God.Are you the image of God?The problem with your and Mike's understanding is in the word “form.” The Greek word is “morphe” which is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2013,06:10)Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 23 2013,18:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 11 2013,04:23)At the time Paul wrote these words, hadn't all the things he mentioned already happened in the PAST?  The statement as a whole is a PAST TENSE statement, about how Jesus WAS existing in the form of God, WAS made in the likeness of a…[Read more]

A couple questions for you both that I believe have not been answered..1. Why does it not say Jesus was “transformed” or “changed” into a man?2. What does Jesus mean when He says He “came out from” God?3. God only talked to us “in these last days”; so, who/what was Jesus before these last days?4. Why is the word “preexist” not used in the Bible…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 11 2013,05:24)Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 08 2013,06:36)He did not lay down His life in order to receive treasures in heaven or to be at God's right hand. This was His reward for being obedient!! Yes, I agree that many would lay down their life IN ORDER to receive rewards.Good.  Then you agree that you, I, and almost every other…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 11 2013,05:12)Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 08 2013,06:24)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2013,06:43)Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 02 2013,07:57)Well, Jesus is God's firstborn. He is the first BEGOTTEN of God. It does not say “first created” or “first made.”And what about Revelation 3:14, where Jesus refers to himself as the “beginning of the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 11 2013,05:08)Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 08 2013,06:16)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2013,06:41)5.  I believe that in John 6, Jesus made it abundantly clear that he came down from heaven, and that some of those standing there would later see him ascend to “where I was before” – meaning “to heaven”.  Then some of those standing t…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 11 2013,04:50)Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 08 2013,05:45)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2013,06:10)Surely saying he came DOWN FROM heaven is not the same as saying he is metaphorically “of heaven”, or “of God” – as all things are.So, YES, He came “down from Heaven” being MADE a man.Jesus said: I (me, myself personally) came down from…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 11 2013,04:46)Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 08 2013,05:35) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2013,05:44)Did all knees in heaven and earth bow to him at that time?  No.Not yet. But, scripture does tell us that the first time He will be a suffering Messiah, but will come back and “all knees in heaven and earth will bow to Him. Right?Agreed.…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 11 2013,04:23)Quote (jb2u @ Aug. 08 2013,05:10)1. Does NOT say “was existing.” It says “hyparchon”, which is “subsisting,” which is existing, not WAS existing. You made it a past tense verse.At the time Paul wrote these words, hadn't all the things he mentioned already happened in the PAST?  The statement as a whole is a…[Read more]

So far, as I see it..1. We see that God will raise a prophet out of the people. He will put wisdom in Him. He will become God's Son.You seem to reject this because there is scripture that says God “will be” their God again. Keep in mind, God has always been everyone's God, but there were times when the Jews had other gods. God was only saying that…[Read more]