Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2013,08:17)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 20 2013,05:44)1) It says “no man” has seen God “except” Jesus..right? So, it is saying Jesus is that MAN who saw God!2) It does not say that He saw God “in a previous life”. It does not say HOW He saw God. COULD it have been in a vision?So we can agree that Jesus is the only human being who…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2013,08:08)That is a PERFECT example, jb.  Here is the question:  Since the writer is talking about a time when John made (past tense) himself of no reputation, and when he became (past tense) a servant, and when he worked (past tense) beside the poor………. then isn't it obvious that he was talking about the w…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2013,07:42)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 21 2013,12:13)You can NOT say, “well, since today we can say “existed” means that Paul meant to say “existed.”So the question is:  Did Paul mean to say Jesus was existing in the form of God when he was a human being………… before dying and being exalted?What is your answer?  Was the b…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2013,04:44)Instead of putting the burden of “maintaining a chronological order” on me, why not explain to us why YOU would think those events AREN'T in chronological order?Paul clearly starts with Jesus “existing”, right?Then he moves on to Jesus “dying on a stake”, right?Then he moves on to Jesus being “exalted” and…[Read more]

I did not see where you asked a question. Please ask again. I went back and I still do not see a question!!That being said. You do not have to believe in a literal 6 day creation if you do not want to. It is not a “salvation issue.” I would like to think that you can see that God created everything in 6 days, but it is not essential in any way! I…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 15 2013,01:08)David knew that his descendant would be made Lord of Lords and King of kings.Let's say that you have a son (I'm not sure if you do), God reveals to you that your son will be the Messiah, the Lord of lords. Will you NOT refer to your son as Lord??Let me make this clear, we are ALL sons of God!! My kids are…[Read more]

Well..what does it say EXACTLY!!5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 21 2013,02:30)HERE IS WHY ;;;;;;;I TRY TO SHOW YOU ,IF THE LIGHT IS CREATED IN THE FIRST DAY ;HOW COULD THAT LIGHT BE THE LIGHT OF DAY WHEN IT SAYS THAT THE LIGHT OF DAY IS ONLY PUT IN PLACE ON THE FOURTH DAY ;?????I DO NOT PUT IN QUESTION THAT THE SCRIPTURES CALL IT “THAT CREATION WAS MADE IN SIX DAYS AND THE SEVEN GOD…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 21 2013,01:13)I DO NOT PUT IN QUESTION WHAT SCRIPTURES ARE SAYING ;SCRIPTURES DO NOT SAY THAT THOSE SIX DAYS :ARE OF 24 HOURS ” THIS IS YOUR INTERPRETATION OF CONCLUSION,” NOT MINE ,SO MY DEBATE IS BASED ON THAT ONLY ;”THE TIME OF EACH DAY -IF THERE IS SUCH A TIME DESCRIPTION,”MANY USE MANY THINGS TO EXPLAIN   WHAT IT…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 21 2013,01:05)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 20 2013,19:47)Do you question a 6 literal day creation because you think it “takes time” to grow things? Or, is it because scientist say that the light from stars take a billion years to get here? Or, is it because you believe scientist when they say that dinosaurs were here billions of…[Read more]

Do you question a 6 literal day creation because you think it “takes time” to grow things? Or, is it because scientist say that the light from stars take a billion years to get here? Or, is it because you believe scientist when they say that dinosaurs were here billions of years ago?That is my question!! WHY do you believe that it was NOT created…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 21 2013,00:27)Quote The question is still WHY would you doubt that GOD created the everything in a “certain amount of time” instead of 6 literal days when He said that He did it in “6 days”. AND THEN, He went on to say I worked 6 days and then rested on the 7th..so SHOULD YOU!!I TRY TO SHOW YOU ,IF THE LIGHT IS CREATED IN…[Read more]

One more quick and curious thing about Phil 2.I have asked before about a “preexistent” word not being used. I have also asked why it doesn't say that He was “transformed” or “turned into” or “change into” a man. Do you remember me asking that?Anyway, Notice that Mark 9:2 and Matt 17:2, both say that Jesus was “transfigured” on the mountain.Do you…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 20 2013,10:59)Micah shouldn't take too long, because facts are facts.  I agree!!The words “origins” are not in Hebrew.and the word “eternity” is in Hebrew.Facts are facts indeed!!So Micah actually says “His, Jesus', goings forth are from eternity!! (according to the words in HEBREW)Quote The only thing I want is some kind…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 20 2013,10:28)….Please explain to me in a clear and concise manner WHY exactly the words, “I came down from heaven” DON'T mean that Jesus came down from heaven.  Surely your sole reason can't be because he said elsewhere, “I came out from God”……….. can it?Mike, please reread my post!!I did NOT say that Jesus can't…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 20 2013,10:19)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 19 2013,04:23)How can one exist BEFORE they exist? You must answer that!!You mean, How can someone exist IN ONE FORM before existing in a DIFFERENT FORM?YES..please tell me!!Quote So tell me, how could Elijah “exist” before “existing” as John the Baptist?  Should we disbelieve the words of…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 20 2013,10:02)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 19 2013,03:59)It NEVER says His “origins”.. it says “whose GOING FORTH was from long, the days of eternity.”Okay.  Looks like we'll put John 17:5 on the backburner for a while longer and discuss Micah 5:2.  Micah 5:2 NET Bible……..from you a king will emerge who will rule over Israel o…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 20 2013,09:08)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 19 2013,03:26)There would be a point to be made..IF Paul had said that Jesus EXISTED in the form of God and then was transformed into man, but you have to change Paul's words in order to say that!!That's pretty much EXACTLY what Paul said, jb.NO..Paul said “existing” NOT “existed”!!And..you…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 19 2013,22:58)@ JB2UJohn 1:18 (English-KJV)No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.This verse is interesting. It says that only the son has seen the invisible God. So in your view, that means he can see or saw God while he was a man because he was only ever…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Sep. 19 2013,22:50)@ JB2UPre Nicene Creed quite a while before actually, many of the so-called second century fathers wrote that the first work of God was to birth the logos so that the logos was with him as another. Then God created all things through him and for him.They think of it like a torch (fire) where the original torch lights…[Read more]