Quote (Lightenup @ May 20 2013,17:54)jb,Please answer this:Quote What was the nature of the Son before He became flesh or do you not believe that the Son existed before He became flesh?I was hoping to first further discuss that GOD and Jesus are both not GOD; however, I will let the conversation go where you like.I'll start by saying that I've…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ May 19 2013,08:44)Quote The true believers that are mentioned are NOT just the apostles. Everyone that believes the truth, that Jesus is the SON of God are the true believers. We are all His!! Jb2u,What's that got to do WITH WHAT JESUS MEANTWE ARE DISCUSSING WHAT JESUS MEANT, NOT WHO THE BELIEVERS ARE, AND WHAT THE APPOSTLES…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ May 19 2013,08:25)Quote You really lose me when you start talking about angels being sent to be the apostles. Surely you jest!!!Jb2u,Read:Genesis 28:12 And he saw in his sleep a ladder standing upon the earth, and the top thereof touching heaven:THE ANGELS ALSO OF GOD ASCENDING AND DESCENDING BY IT; NOW: Reflect who was…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 19 2013,16:51)Quote You either are unaware of the scripture or are trying to deceive me. Which is it??I am aware of the scriptures; I am not trying to deceive you.Jesus is given the name 'Jehovah our Righteousness' and Jerusalem, which is symbolic, is identified in Him but not as Him.jb, please answer this:Who does the NT…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 19 2013,16:46)David calls this one that comes as his descendant “Lord.” Since David calls Him Lord, how is it that He is his son?The pharisees were silenced by this question. Revelations is a book to give further 'revelation' of Jesus. Jesus reveals in the last chapter that He is the root and offspring of David.David knew…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 18 2013,07:27)Yes:Jeremiah 235Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and he shall reign as king and deal wisely, and shall execute justice and righteousness in the land.6In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely; and this is his name whereby he shall be…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 17 2013,16:46)Quote The thing is Jesus is not YHVH. Nowhere in the whole Bible does it state that!!Wrong on this account also…I have run out of battery and need sleep anyways. More to come on this…You mean you are actually going to give me scripture where Jesus is called YHVH.

Quote (Lightenup @ May 17 2013,16:44)Quote And out of this stump, a root is produced which is Jesus. This root will flourish;In grade school you probably saw a picture of a plant with roots that are underground and from the roots the stem sprouts and from the stem, then we have the branches and from the branches we get fruit. We don't get more…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ May 17 2013,06:58)Quote I see that the world does not know GOD, but the TRUE believers (those that God has given to Jesus) KNOW that GOD sent Jesus. NOTICE: it does NOT say the true believers know that I am God. No, Jesus is saying that the true believers know that GOD sent Jesus!! Do you see the difference??? Jb2u,There are NO…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ May 17 2013,03:50)jb2u,Jesus in the previous verse, confirmed that HE IS THE ETERNAL LIFE THE TRIUNE GOD IN JESUS’ FLESH BODY IS THE ETERNAL LIFE! …………………………………………………….TO CLARIFY:I CANNOT IMMAGINE THE FATHER ABIDING DIRECTLY IN A SOUL, NOT EQUAL to HIMSLEF!…………Peace and love in J…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 16 2013,16:06)Jb,Please tell me what word describes the Son's inherent nature as the Root of Jesse. Thanks!One word?….. “FOUNDATION”In Jesus' case, it is a new foundation. A new beginning.For the meaning behind Isaiah 11, which I assume that you are referring to, see Isaiah 10.The tree of Jesse will be reduced to a stump…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ May 14 2013,17:00)Quote …I see you wisely did not address the fact that you ADDED words to scripture in order to make your point!!!!Jb2u,Unless you pin point the particular scripture YOU ARE REFERRING TO to gether with your coments,It is useless in saying that!SO BE SPECIFIC !Peace and love in JesusCharlesCharles PLEASE see the…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ May 12 2013,01:12)Quote (carmel @ May 11 2013,07:44)……….Jbtu, YOU HAD ISOLATED an AMBIGUOUS VERSEWHY NOT ANALYZE ALL THAT PARAGRAPH IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH WHAT JESUS WAS REERRING TOTHE FACT THAT THROUGH THE SAME STATEMENT, JESUS DECLARED THAT HIS FATHER WAS NOT KNOWN AS THE ONLY TRUE GOD IT IS ALREADY AN EVIDENCE THAT,…[Read more]

The thing is Jesus is not YHVH. Nowhere in the whole Bible does it state that!!According to you, “I see YHVH and perceive that the Father is meant, sometimes the Son is meant, sometimes both are meant and sometimes I am unsure if one or both are meant.”GOD wants you to be sure and know that HE is the ONE. The reason that you are “unsure” sometimes…[Read more]

You know Charles, have you ever considered the fact that maybe, just maybe, you believe the wrong thing??I see some very enlightened people on this site. You see some “misguided” people.Consider this, maybe because you believe in the wrong thing, it opens you up to believing in false doctrine!! Maybe that is why you do not see where adding words…[Read more]

Charles….I noticed that you did not answer my question; so, I will re-post as I assume that you must have overlooked it!!Do you honestly BELIEVE these things that you type? Tell me, is Jesus and the Father the same person to you? Are Jesus and the Father both God? Are you saying God came in the form of Jesus, thus separating Himself, but in the…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ May 12 2013,08:12)Quote the world hath not known thee  Jb2u,What does your words above say?They say the world has not known you UP TO THAT MOMENT IN TIME! OK?………………………………SO HE WAS NEVER KNOWN! IN THE TRUTH! the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.Peace and love in JesusCharlesCharles…I…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ May 11 2013,07:44)……….Jbtu, YOU HAD ISOLATED an AMBIGUOUS VERSEWHY NOT ANALYZE ALL THAT PARAGRAPH IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH WHAT JESUS WAS REERRING TOTHE FACT THAT THROUGH THE SAME STATEMENT, JESUS DECLARED THAT HIS FATHER WAS NOT KNOWN AS THE ONLY TRUE GOD IT IS ALREADY AN EVIDENCE THAT, ALTHOUGH HE WAS THE ONLY TRUE GOD, HE…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 11 2013,16:36)My question to you jb, is regarding this passage:Quote Deut 18:15“The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers—it is to him you shall listen— 16just as you desired of the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly, when you said, ‘Let me not hear again t…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 11 2013,16:26)Please don't make this discussion about the 'triune' God or the 'trinity doctrine.' I believe that I have explained to you that I have yet to understand and accept the idea that the Holy Spirit is a 'person.' I better understand the Holy Spirit as the omnipresence of the Father and Son which originates from…[Read more]