Quote (Lightenup @ June 23 2013,16:19)From what I have seen, you have told me the scriptures that I have copied and pasted are wrong. If you took scripture for what it actually says, you would have no problem finding the pre-existence of Christ and the divinity of Christ.If you believe that John tells us that Jesus was just an ordinary man, then…[Read more]

Sorry guys, I did not see this. Yes. We can have the discussion. I believe you both to be very reasonable. I, too, only want to know the truth. As I told Kathi, I would never put anything on here without first great consideration for I fear the Lord! That being said, I believe that He has revealed this to me through my prayer and Bible studies;…[Read more]

FIVE QUESTIONS, PLEASE ANSWER.You state that the Prince was 100% prince and 100% pauper. You state that “Jesus didn't empty Himself of being God, the Son.”If you insist on believing that Jesus was God, even while on Earth, then 1) WHY did He need God to do miracles or speak His words?2) WHY couldn't He just use His own “God powers” to do such…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 19 2013,15:04)I don't think you will find those words in that passage about Jesus emptying Himself. You are reading through your bias, this is the very same thing you accuse the trinitarians of doing.You are right that Jesus didn't empty Himself of being God, the Son. He couldn't do that. Sorta like the prince can't empty…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 19 2013,14:58)Think about that dirt for a second. That dirt was fully dirt one second then fully man the next, then when the body dies and decays it goes back to fully dirt. If that can happen, why can't God, the Son become man also? Who are you to say this can't happen?Can the Prince of England, one with royal blood,…[Read more]

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It is like this program that I saw the other day. I watch this show “Wretched.” Anyway, in it, there was this Preacher that said an abortion doctor came to his church looking for help. The preacher wanted to help him come to know Christ. So, the preacher gave a Bible to this abortionist and told him to go and read John (I wonder why John *Cough,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 19 2013,03:36)Quote 1) Jesus was made in EVERY WAY like us. I don't know about you, but I am NOT half God and half man or full God and full man. I am, however, in EVERY WAY…fully man!!Did dirt become man in every way? Please answer this, jb.What separates us from Adam and Jesus is that they were both created sinless…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 18 2013,07:40)Finally, for now, you said this:Quote You go on to quote a bunch of verses calling Jesus by Lord. I have already showed that Jesus is Lord. I never denied that. I only reject the notion that Jesus is GOD.Can you admit that YHVH is Lord? Can you admit that you understand that Jesus is a theos?I noticed that you…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 18 2013,07:37)The Creator is the Father through the Son. 1 Cor 8:6 clarifies this. Also, regarding Jesus as being the servant, They actually serve each other. The Father serves the Son as a Father would and the Son serves the Father as a Son would. If you are a father, you know that you definitely serve your kids…you…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 18 2013,07:37)It doesn't matter what group of Jews wrote the Targums for my point to be made. My point is that there was a Jewish understanding among some or all Jews that the 'Word of the LORD' was worshiped and is identified with YHVH in some manner in their understanding.It matters in EVERY way if the group that wrote…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 18 2013,05:54)Quote Why would the “grace of God” be “UPON” Jesus (Luke 2:40) if Jesus IS God? Again, this makes NO SENSE if Jesus IS God!Heb 2For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 18 2013,05:50)you ask:Quote WHY would Jesus need the Holy Spirit of God if HE was God?This just would not make sense! Keep in mind that He emptied Himself of whatever was necessary to become like man.Phil 2:7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.Jesus did “empty…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 18 2013,05:47)Hi jb2u,Quote IF the “word of God” is always Jesus, then how do you explain Luke 3:2I didn't say that the 'word of God' always refers to the Son who became flesh but sometimes it does. In John 1:1, I and the vast majority of Bible students and commentators agree that the Word here is the Son of God. It is…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 11 2013,11:20)I agree, another God was not created. I disagree that the word that was in the beginning was not a person. Revelations shows us that it is:Rev 19:13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God.Is the 'He' in that verse a person? Yes or NoYES…We KNOW that the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 11 2013,11:15)Yes, the Father is God. And Jesus is the God with God the Father in the beginning. Worshiping the Father in spirit and in truth would mean that you worship He who is known as the Word of God also as Yahveh, like the Targums show that the Jews did.Again, this is ONLY true if the Jews that wrote/believed in the…[Read more]

Quote Once again, I am not stating that the Targums are inerrant. The Targums definitely state some of the Jews understanding of the OT. So when Jesus speaks about what the Jews knew and that 'the Jews worship what they know,' we can see from the Targums that they worshiped the 'Word of Jehovah' as Jehovah.There are 2 problems with this…[Read more]

The first problem is that we KNOW that not all of the Jews believed the correct thing, right? So, if the Targums were written by those Jews that believed the wrong thing, the Targums are then wrong. Wouldn't you agree? This means that you are only assuming that the Targums are correct!! I think this is why we should go by the Bible only. Even the…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ May 31 2013,19:14)Jb2u,Have you found a church yet or you still looking?That would be a NO to both.I have not found a church..and, I'm not still looking.I have accepted the fact that the “church system” has been influenced by a corruption of God's word. I am still amazed at how many “intelligent” Christians/pastors/theologians out…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 31 2013,06:34)Quote (jb2u @ May 29 2013,17:59)Quote (Lightenup @ May 29 2013,05:20)jb,The 'root of Jesse' is talking about Isaiah 11 where FROM the ROOTS of Jesse comes a branch. Obviously the two terms are not the same here.Isaiah 11 1A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse;from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.Even…[Read more]