Quote (t8 @ June 29 2013,12:33)jb2u,Thanks for showing us what you believe and why. My post below will do the same so you can know from where I am coming from.I am open minded about when Jesus became the son of God.As for pre-existence, I believe that he existed in the form of God, emptied himself, came in the flesh, died for our sins, was…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 29 2013,22:57)Also, did gravity exist before Isaac Newton discovered it?From what you argue about the Granville Sharp rule, gravity doesn't exist because Isaac Newton defined it and claimed it existed way before he defined it. Now why didn't Moses mention this supposed 'law' if there really was a law about such a…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 29 2013,22:37)Btw, You gave me an answer but not an answer to THIS question:Does the Bible say that Jesus is our God and Savior in all 14 of those translations quoted above?I answered that. I said..NO.Let's look at what Peter wrote in the VERY NEXT sentence.Peter 2:1-21 Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,To…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 29 2013,22:32)Give it up jb,Quote Detractors maintain that there are numerous examples in the Greek where Granville Sharp's rule fails to hold up, i.e. where two distinct referents are obviously intended. However, as pointed out by Daniel Wallace, this is due to a misapplication of the rule.^^ What is often overlooked is…[Read more]

I guess that I should have started off with a “statement of faith.” Since we are in the beginning. I will go ahead with it now.I believe that God was alone in eternity. He literally SPOKE the world into existence. My GOD is that big. He doesn't need someone to “do the work” or do anything really. Just stand back and watch!I believe that God, being…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 28 2013,11:33)I hear what you're saying, but don't see how it prohibits Jesus from being the Son of God before he was the Son of God on earth.We are very early into this topic. It will come.How about this..2 Samuel 7:14I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 28 2013,06:31)In Heb 1Quote 8But about the Son he says,“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;therefore God, your God, has set you above your companionsby anointing you with the oil of joy.”e10He also say…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 28 2013,06:09)About having a bias, I assume that can creep in but the Granville Sharp rule applies here and is not subjective.You cannot just assume that translators translated the Bible to satisfy their bias when you don't agree because it doesn't fit your understanding. That is simply ignorance. We are to test things and…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 28 2013,06:09)jb2u,Apparently you do not know Greek grammar. In Greek grammar, the spelling of a word tells the reader if it is the subject of the sentence or just a noun or a verb and whether the verb is first person, second person, or third person. Also, if the verb is present tense, future tense or aorist tense, and if…[Read more]

“before all ages” refers to God, not Jesus.Now, HOW does God get to be our Saviour, show his majesty, power, and authority?Well, it was THROUGH Jesus, just like scripture says!! For, without Jesus, man would have fallen and remained such; however, because of Jesus, God is able to forgive our sins. Through Jesus, God showed his power, majesty, and…[Read more]

You did not answer this question..5) YHVH can be both God and Lord. These are only titles anyway. Where is Jesus ever called “God of gods”?

Quote (Lightenup @ June 27 2013,04:59)Furthermore, you claim that Jesus never says that He is YHVH but the NT that is translated from the Greek manuscripts uses the word Kyrios for YHVH and therefore you will not find Jesus saying that He is YHVH from a translation of the Greek manuscripts. You can find where God the Father calls Him YHVH if you…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 27 2013,04:52)Now my question to you is:Have I shown you with just using the Bible that Jesus is called “our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ?”No. You have shown me an incorrect translation of the Bible, (the NIV I assume?), but you have not shown me where the inspired word of God says Jesus is God!The original scripture…[Read more]

No problem t8. I try to come on here as much as possible. I usually work 6-7 days a week; so, time can be short for me. Even so, I try to come on here daily.I will answer all questions as timely and completely as I can.

Quote (Lightenup @ June 19 2013,15:11)I suggest that you get informed about the Massorah. Jesus is called YHVH in v. 5 of Psalms 110. The Sopherim replaced YHVH with Adonay in many places but they kept records of the change in the margins.Here, read this:http://www.therain.org/appendixes/app30.htmlI am reading up on this, but I'd like to point…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 23 2013,17:15)The One God that I believe in is BOTH God of gods AND Lord of lords; our one God the Father and our one Lord, Jesus Christ.You believe that they are both theos but not the same theos and not both YHVH. I believe that they are both theos and not the same theos as being the same person but they are both YHVH.…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 23 2013,17:15)Quote You HAVE to think that Jesus was not being honest when He said the things that He said.Jesus said they were one also. Jesus was the truth and the life. He was always honest.Quote And WHY would God not just state that simple fact that He is  2 in 1?He does, you just do not see it.Deut 10:17For the LORD…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 23 2013,17:15)Quote You have to IGNORE that if the Father is YHVH and Jesus is YHVH then that is 2 YHVHs.Yes, that would be two who are called YHVH who are one.This just makes me laugh every time I read it!!And then, I am sad that so many fall for this!!

Quote (Lightenup @ June 23 2013,17:15)1) YHVH is one. YHVH is both God of gods and Lord of lords2) Jesus states that the one true God is His Father. Scriptures also state that Jesus is a theos who is our Lord of lords, our ONE Lord-YHVH is our Lord of lords.3) Jesus states that the day will come when the TRUE worshipers will worship THE FATHER. God…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 23 2013,16:22)cont'd…Quote What I am doing is explaining those verses IN LIGHT OF other scripture. I am not going based on “my bias.” I am going based on what OTHER VERSES IN THE BIBLE has to say about who Jesus is and is not! That is NOT bias. That is being able to read and understand the word of God.I could say the…[Read more]