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[jammin]

Christ

is the only son of God.

he is like his father. he is equal with God phil 2.6. he is the Word of God.

he is supreme over all creation col 1.15-16

 

he is not created. he is a creator heb 1.8-10

 

if you do not believe these, you are not his disciple.

[jammin]

until now, most people can not accept that Christ is the Word of God (rev 19.13, john 1.1). most people can not accept that he is EQUAL with God by nature (phil 2.6). most people can not accept that he is the ONE AND ONLY SON OF GOD!

Matthew 25:31-33;41-46

“Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son…….Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them. “

[jammin]

i am not surprised when you say that kerwin. i showed you a word for word in the bible but you do not want to believe it. why do not you post my old post here and tell if it is written or not in the bible? i challenge you and you may ask mike for help.
mike, i am still waiting for your verse that God created me THROUGH my parents. i am giving you an additional 1m yrs to find one. now you have a total of 2m yrs. hahahaha

if Jesus is not God who came in the flesh, then why would paul say “being made in human likeness”. people here are not using their common sense hahaha. no human was being made in human likeness. it does not make sense to say that to a human if you do not have a pre existence.
Christ became human but before that, he was in the form of God (nature God).
he was God by natgure!

Philippians 2:6-7New International Version (NIV)

6 Who, being in very nature God,

meaning, he is truly God!

Philippians 2:6-7New Living Translation (NLT)

6 Though he was God,

AMEN! PRAISE GOD!

[jammin]

Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2014,15:55)

Quote (jammin @ June 26 2014,15:40) ed the Holy Spirit a person has emotion, awareness,can speak etc. HS can speak according to the bible Acts 13:2, “And while they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” He is a creator Job 33:4 (NIV) 4 The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of the Almighty gives me life. therefore, he is God. Hi Jammin, The HolySpirit is God…]

i know he is God. you do not have to say that to me.

[jammin]

ed

the Holy Spirit

a person has emotion, awareness,can speak etc.

HS can speak according to the bible

Acts 13:2, “And while they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”

He is a creator
Job 33:4 (NIV)

4 The Spirit of God has made me;

the breath of the Almighty gives me life.

therefore, he is God.

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2014,12:05)

Quote (jammin @ June 25 2014,14:09) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2014,10:30) Revelation 21:22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. In the above verse, is Jesus “the Lamb”?  Or is he “the Lord God Almighty”? So it doesn't matter that a Trinitarian commentator WANTS Jesus to be “the Lord God Almighty” in 1:8 – because other scriptures make it ABUNDANTLY CLEAR that Jesus is NOT “Almighty”. Hebrews 10 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. First of all, “God” is the one Jesus sits at the right hand OF, jammin.  And it is not “God” who sits at the right hand of “God”………… unless you believe there are TWO Gods. Secondly, nobody who is “Almighty” sits and waits for SOMEONE ELSE to place his enemies at his feet, so he can then destroy those enemies. So once again, it doesn't matter one little bit how many Trinitarians want to take verses in the Bible that are about Jehovah, and apply those verses to Jesus……. because there are enough ABUNDANTLY CLEAR scriptures in the Bible to let even a 3 year old kid know that Jesus is NOT the God he is the Son, Servant, Lamb, Prophet, Priest, and Messiah OF. The very thought that there are “so-called intelligent” people out there who believe that the Son, Servant, Lamb, Prophet, Priest, and Messiah  OF God could actually BE the God he is all those things OF – really baffles me.   But these people do exist, nonetheless.  The question is:  Why would anyone in their right mind believe the nonsensical things these confused people have to say? rev 1.8 talks about christ and if you see the verse 7, Christ is the one who is coming and not the father. read the context and do not just make fantasies Revelation 1:7-8 NET Bible 1:7 (Look! He is returning with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all the tribes on the earth will mourn because of him.  This will certainly come to pass! Amen.) 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God – the one who is, and who was, and who is still to come – the All-Powerful! 34 Now look at footnote 34, from these 25 TRINITARIAN scholars…… and you'll see that they are trying to tell you the same thing I already tried to tell you: …..“the Almighty, All-Powerful, Omnipotent (One) only of God……Rev 1:8; 4:8; 11:17; 15:3; 16:7; 21:22.” And here are those verses they list: 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God – the one who is, and who was, and who is still to come – the All-Powerful! 4:8 Each one of the four living creatures had six wings and was full of eyes all around and inside.  They never rest day or night, saying: “Holy Holy Holy is the Lord God, the All-Powerful, Who was and who is, and who is still to come!” 11:17 with these words: “We give you thanks, Lord God, the All-Powerful, the one who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and begun to reign. 15:3 They sang the song of Moses the servant of God and the song of the Lamb: “Great and astounding are your deeds, Lord God, the All-Powerful! Just and true are your ways, King over the nations! 16:7 Then1 I heard the altar reply, “Yes, Lord God, the All-Powerful, your judgments are true and just!” 21:22 Now I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God – the All-Powerful – and the Lamb are its temple. Now, pay special attention to 15:3, jammin.  Notice how the song being sung is the song of “Moses, the servant of God……. AND the Lamb”.  Can you see that it is a song that Moses and the Lamb sing TO the one they address as, “Lord God Almighty”? Also, pay attention to the last one, which is already listed in my post in the quote box above.  Can you see how the “Lord God Almighty” and the “Lamb” are two DIFFERENT persons?  See?  The Lord God Almighty AND the Lamb, right?   That tells us that “the Lamb” is NOT “the Lord God Almighty”. jammin, NONE of those verses they gave are about Jesus.  instead, ALL of them are about God. Also, look at the NET Bible translation I posted above.  Tell me how the “context” of verse 7 insists that verse 8 refers to Jesus……. because I surely don't see it. jammin, you have a lot of homework piling up on you.  You are going to get flunked and held back a grade if you continue to ignore your assignments.

there is no problem because the father is all powerful and so his son. they have the same nature, God. as God, he is all powerful.
the Son is God just like his father and the jews know that and they are stoning Christ for that reason.

john 10.33
New International Version
“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

pulpit commentary
The Jews were in one sense right. He had declared his essential unity with the Father; he had “made himself, represented himself (cf. John 8:53; John 19:7), as equal with God.”

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God; which they concluded very rightly, from his saying, John 10:30, that God was his Father, and that he and his Father were one; that is, in nature and essence, and therefore he must be God;

if Christ is not really God by nature,he should have told to the jews “no”! i am not God. you are wrong! but Christ never told that to the jews. the apostles know he is God by nature, john 1.1 phil 2.6 john 20.28

better luck next time boy hahahah

[jammin]

Quote (kerwin @ June 26 2014,07:23)

Quote (jammin @ June 26 2014,02:13) Quote (kerwin @ June 24 2014,05:04) Quote (jammin @ June 23 2014,22:45) Quote (terraricca @ June 23 2014,16:24) Quote (jammin @ June 23 2014,09:28) t i understand if you CANT answer my questions. just go to your backyard and plant some potatoes. maybe in that way you will be able to help your country Jammy you have been answered 100th times by me,Mike,kerwin and others , you are so ridiculously blind that after so many time we have answered you still ask for the same question(s) i really think you would do better if you start planting potatoes,in someone else   yard ,and argue with them why you plant in their yard and not yours, can you post here again the answer of kerwin and mike and others about my questions? ill repeat my questions is the president all powerful? yes or no? are you all powerful? yes or no? if both answers are no, do you accept that you and the president are EQUAL in essence? Jammin, We have already covered that and gone beyond it in our conversation as you have now made clear that the nature you believe Jesus is essentially equal to God in is God's nature of being all powerful.  The flaw in your reason is that Jesus is not all powerful.  Mike also has made the same point and you have failed to address it.   In my case Jesus was appointed as Lord of everything in heaven and on earth.  God appointed him and Jesus cannot appoint another to his position therefore God is superior in power. so therefore you agree that the president is not all powerful and you are not all powerful as well. correct? you both have the same nature/essence, correct? therefore, if Christ is equal with God in essence, he is all powerful just like his father. they are both God in nature. the bible said Who, being in very nature[a] God, no human has the nature of God and EQUAL WITH GOD in essence. make your own bible boy. hahaha Jammin, The whole idea of being born of the Holy Spirit is that when a person is fully mature they exist in the essence of God.   Jesus is not all powerful.

make your own bible and put there that MAN is equal with God in essence and has the nature of GOd. hahah

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2014,12:22)

Quote (Ed J @ June 25 2014,15:27) Quote (jammin @ June 26 2014,07:09) i do not believe there are two Gods. i believe there are three persons but one in nature, God. Hi Jammin, Who's this third “Person” you speak of? Good question, Ed.  Trinitarians always tell us that the Word (Jesus) was with THE FATHER in the beginning.  (John 1:1)  But I wonder how they KNOW it was THE FATHER.  It just says “God”.  So why couldn't it be talking about their THIRD GOD, the Holy Spirit? And when it says Jesus sits at the right hand of “God” – how do they know that one is THE FATHER?  Couldn't Jesus be sitting at the right hand of “the Holy Spirit God”? Yeah….. they don't talk too much about their third God.  He must be a kind of “silent partner” or something.

we never say third God.we say three persons but one in nature, God.

and i will tell this to you again. you and your father are two persons but one in nature, HUMAN. you will agree if you believe you are HUMAN in nature, unless you are an animal. hahaha

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 26 2014,12:18)

Quote (jammin @ June 25 2014,14:17) mike said: Christ is EQUAL with God in essence BUT he is not all powerful. hahaha that is most ridiculous argument i have ever heard. That's right.  Christ is equally a spirit being, just like his and our God, Jehovah, is. His and our God, Jehovah, is the only one who is All Powerful.  Jehovah's servant Jesus is not. But notice how you have to try and be DECIETFUL in your post, jammin.  Why is that?  It must run in Trinitarian blood, because Gill was also deceitful in that last post I made to Kerwin. Gill says that when JESUS is said to have the fullness of God, it means Jesus IS God.  But when WE are said to have the fullness of God, it means we are aware of the grace and love OF God. Why so much DECIET with you Trinitarians?  Is it because the only way to claim Jesus is God Almighty is by telling LIES, and twisting the truth?

therefore all spirit beings are equal with God in essence if i will FOLLOW YOUR argument. give me a version that says angels and evil spirits are equal with God in essence. i will give you another 1m yrs. hahaha

you have a total of 2,999,980 yrs now. hahahahaha

[jammin]

mike said: Christ is EQUAL with God in essence BUT he is not all powerful. hahaha

that is most ridiculous argument i have ever heard.

it is clear that you do not understand the meaning of nature/essence and this gives me reason to say that you are a certified moron. hhahaha

if you say nature/essence of God, all powerful is part of it. no bible scholars will agree to you that all powerful is not part of God's essence. hahaha

[jammin]

Quote (terraricca @ June 24 2014,04:05)

Quote (jammin @ June 23 2014,22:45) Quote (terraricca @ June 23 2014,16:24) Quote (jammin @ June 23 2014,09:28) t i understand if you CANT answer my questions. just go to your backyard and plant some potatoes. maybe in that way you will be able to help your country Jammy you have been answered 100th times by me,Mike,kerwin and others , you are so ridiculously blind that after so many time we have answered you still ask for the same question(s) i really think you would do better if you start planting potatoes,in someone else   yard ,and argue with them why you plant in their yard and not yours, can you post here again the answer of kerwin and mike and others about my questions? ill repeat my questions is the president all powerful? yes or no? are you all powerful? yes or no? if both answers are no, do you accept that you and the president are EQUAL in essence? still do not learn anything

you are still not answering my question. therefore the answer is YES>

you and the president have the same nature, HUMAN. you are both not all powerful because you are not God by nature.

good boy. hahha

[jammin]

Quote (kerwin @ June 24 2014,05:04)

Quote (jammin @ June 23 2014,22:45) Quote (terraricca @ June 23 2014,16:24) Quote (jammin @ June 23 2014,09:28) t i understand if you CANT answer my questions. just go to your backyard and plant some potatoes. maybe in that way you will be able to help your country Jammy you have been answered 100th times by me,Mike,kerwin and others , you are so ridiculously blind that after so many time we have answered you still ask for the same question(s) i really think you would do better if you start planting potatoes,in someone else   yard ,and argue with them why you plant in their yard and not yours, can you post here again the answer of kerwin and mike and others about my questions? ill repeat my questions is the president all powerful? yes or no? are you all powerful? yes or no? if both answers are no, do you accept that you and the president are EQUAL in essence? Jammin, We have already covered that and gone beyond it in our conversation as you have now made clear that the nature you believe Jesus is essentially equal to God in is God's nature of being all powerful.  The flaw in your reason is that Jesus is not all powerful.  Mike also has made the same point and you have failed to address it.   In my case Jesus was appointed as Lord of everything in heaven and on earth.  God appointed him and Jesus cannot appoint another to his position therefore God is superior in power.

so therefore you agree that the president is not all powerful and you are not all powerful as well. correct?
you both have the same nature/essence, correct?

therefore, if Christ is equal with God in essence, he is all powerful just like his father. they are both God in nature. the bible said Who, being in very nature[a] God,

no human has the nature of God and EQUAL WITH GOD in essence. make your own bible boy. hahaha

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2014,10:30)

Quote (jammin @ June 22 2014,21:26) BIBLE VERSIONS AND COMMENTARIES AGREE TO ME. Of course they agree with you……. since those commentaries were written by Trinitarians!   But consider: Revelation 21:22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. In the above verse, is Jesus “the Lamb”?  Or is he “the Lord God Almighty”? So it doesn't matter that a Trinitarian commentator WANTS Jesus to be “the Lord God Almighty” in 1:8 – because other scriptures make it ABUNDANTLY CLEAR that Jesus is NOT “Almighty”. Hebrews 10 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. First of all, “God” is the one Jesus sits at the right hand OF, jammin.  And it is not “God” who sits at the right hand of “God”………… unless you believe there are TWO Gods. Secondly, nobody who is “Almighty” sits and waits for SOMEONE ELSE to place his enemies at his feet, so he can then destroy those enemies. So once again, it doesn't matter one little bit how many Trinitarians want to take verses in the Bible that are about Jehovah, and apply those verses to Jesus……. because there are enough ABUNDANTLY CLEAR scriptures in the Bible to let even a 3 year old kid know that Jesus is NOT the God he is the Son, Servant, Lamb, Prophet, Priest, and Messiah OF. The very thought that there are “so-called intelligent” people out there who believe that the Son, Servant, Lamb, Prophet, Priest, and Messiah  OF God could actually BE the God he is all those things OF – really baffles me.   But these people do exist, nonetheless.  The question is:  Why would anyone in their right mind believe the nonsensical things these confused people have to say?

i do not believe there are two Gods. i believe there are three persons but one in nature, God.

you and your father are two persons but ONE NATURE, HUMAN.

that is the basic explanation for your question and do not make things complicated.

also, are we talking about the rev 21.22,heb 10.12 or rev 1.8?

rev 1.8 talks about christ and if you see the verse 7, Christ is the one who is coming and not the father. read the context and do not just make fantasies hahaha

[jammin]

Quote (terraricca @ June 23 2014,16:24)

Quote (jammin @ June 23 2014,09:28) t i understand if you CANT answer my questions. just go to your backyard and plant some potatoes. maybe in that way you will be able to help your country Jammy you have been answered 100th times by me,Mike,kerwin and others , you are so ridiculously blind that after so many time we have answered you still ask for the same question(s) i really think you would do better if you start planting potatoes,in someone else   yard ,and argue with them why you plant in their yard and not yours,

can you post here again the answer of kerwin and mike and others about my questions?

ill repeat my questions

is the president all powerful? yes or no?
are you all powerful? yes or no?

if both answers are no, do you accept that you and the president are EQUAL in essence?

[jammin]

t

i understand if you CANT answer my questions. just go to your backyard and plant some potatoes. maybe in that way you will be able to help your country

[jammin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 20 2014,13:56)

Quote (jammin @ June 19 2014,06:55) the bible said YES he is all powerful Revelation 1:8 The Voice (VOICE) Lord God: 8 I am the Alpha and the Omega, [the very beginning and the very end,][a] the One who is, the One who was, and the One who is coming: the All Powerful. jammin, Do a quick search through Revelation, and tell me who is ALWAYS called “the Lord God” in that Book. For example, the One who sits on the throne, that the Lamb takes the scroll from – is the One called “the Lord God”. The title “the Lord God” ALWAYS refers to Jehovah in Revelation.  And that includes Rev 1:8. Besides, does one who is “all powerful” wait for his own God to place all his enemies at his feet, so he can then destroy those enemies?  Because that is exactly what Jesus is doing.  (Hebrews 10:13) Luke 1:32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David………. See how Jesus is NOT “the Most High”, but the Son OF the Most High?  See how “the Most High” is called “the Lord God” – just like in Revelation? Luke 8:28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out and fell at his feet, shouting at the top of his voice, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg you, don’t torture me!” Is Jesus “the Most High God” – according to the above scripture?  Or is Jesus the SON OF the Most High God?  Which one?  (I really NEED you to answer this question.)

are we talking about luke 8.28 and luke 1.32 i said rev 1.8 and that is Christ

if you read the context, you will see that one who is coming is Jesus and not the father.

rev 1
7 Look, Jesus is coming with the clouds! Everyone will see him, even those who pierced him. All peoples of the earth will cry loudly because of him. Yes, this will happen! Amen.

8 The Lord God says, “I am the Alpha and the Omega.I am the one who is, who always was, and who is coming. I am the All-Powerful.”

PULPIT COMMENTARY

“the Revelation of Jesus Christ” as God and as the Almighty “Ruler of the kings of the earth.” Yet the fact that similar language is also used of the Father (Revelation 6:6; Revelation 21:6) shows how clearly St. John teaches that Jesus Christ is “equal to the Father as touching his Godhead.”

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

I am Alpha and Omega,…. These are the words of Christ himself, appearing at once, and confirming what John had said of him, concerning his person, offices, and future coming:

BIBLE VERSIONS AND COMMENTARIES AGREE TO ME.

you and kerwin and t wont win in a public debate. you know why? because you have no enough evidence to prove your claim. sorry boys. hahaha

[jammin]

Quote (kerwin @ June 20 2014,12:34)

Quote (jammin @ June 20 2014,06:31) Quote (kerwin @ June 20 2014,04:48) Quote (jammin @ June 19 2014,18:49) Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2014,03:54) Jammin, I already pointed out Jesus is not all powerful as he was the one that was appointed not the one the one that did the appointing.  Since Jesus is not all powerful then it is clear that is not the essence of God or part of the essence he exists in. according to you, jesus is not all powerful. therefore he is not God by nature. the bible says Philippians 2:6 New International Version (NIV) 6 Who, being in very nature[a] God, Philippians 2:6 Amplified Bible (AMP) 6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [[a]possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], it is very clear that your doctrine is not written in the bible. according to paul, Christ is God by nature. if Christ is not all powerful, he is not God by nature ( according to you). if he is not God by nature, he is MAN. but paul said… phil 2.7 He became like men and was born a human being. do you understand that? why say ” he became like men” if he does not have pre existence? do you understand what i am saying? i believe what is written in the bible and the bible said Christ is God by nature and he is EQUAL WITH GOD. he is God and Lord, thomas said. HE is God, john said. he is God by nature, paul said. therefore, you are wrong. Jammin, What is clear is that none of these prove anything as the amplified includes in line cometary. For example “[[a]possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God]” “Except for the “which make God God” comment it is pretty much line.  I already pointed out Jesus is not all powerful and Jesus was tempted by evil which proves that claim is false. What Scripture states is “that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.”, Ephesians 3:19 NIV and “For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form…”, Colossians 2:9 NIV. In short Jesus has continually possessed the fullness of the attributes of God and it is his hope that we too will come to posses the same fullness of the attributes of God. you said “we too will come to posses the same fullness of the attributes of God” what verse is that? that is ridiculous. you are a false teacher. Jammin, Ephesians 3:19, which I already gave you the quote from.

it does not say that in eph 3.19 boy

let me post it

Ephesians 3:19

1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

19 And to know the [a]love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye may be filled with all [c]fullness of God.

footnote
Ephesians 3:19 So that we have abundantly in us, whatsoever things are required to make us perfect with God.

eph 3.19 did not say that WE WILL HAVE THE NATURE OF GOD (omnipresence,omnipotent,omniscient etc). this verse speaks about the whatsoever things are required to MAKE US PERFECT WITH GOD!

some version says

Ephesians 3:19

New Living Translation (NLT)

19 May you experience the love of Christ, though it is too great to understand fully. Then you will be made complete with all the fullness of life and power that comes from God.

it is clear that you do not understand what you are saying and i am not surprised because you are a false teacher. Christ has the nature of God. he is GOD just like his father. john called him God. paul called him God. thomas called him Lord and my God.

make your own bible.hahaha

[jammin]

Quote (kerwin @ June 20 2014,04:48)

Quote (jammin @ June 19 2014,18:49) Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2014,03:54) Jammin, I already pointed out Jesus is not all powerful as he was the one that was appointed not the one the one that did the appointing.  Since Jesus is not all powerful then it is clear that is not the essence of God or part of the essence he exists in. according to you, jesus is not all powerful. therefore he is not God by nature. the bible says Philippians 2:6 New International Version (NIV) 6 Who, being in very nature[a] God, Philippians 2:6 Amplified Bible (AMP) 6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [[a]possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], it is very clear that your doctrine is not written in the bible. according to paul, Christ is God by nature. if Christ is not all powerful, he is not God by nature ( according to you). if he is not God by nature, he is MAN. but paul said… phil 2.7 He became like men and was born a human being. do you understand that? why say ” he became like men” if he does not have pre existence? do you understand what i am saying? i believe what is written in the bible and the bible said Christ is God by nature and he is EQUAL WITH GOD. he is God and Lord, thomas said. HE is God, john said. he is God by nature, paul said. therefore, you are wrong. Jammin, What is clear is that none of these prove anything as the amplified includes in line cometary. For example “[[a]possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God]” “Except for the “which make God God” comment it is pretty much line.  I already pointed out Jesus is not all powerful and Jesus was tempted by evil which proves that claim is false. What Scripture states is “that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.”, Ephesians 3:19 NIV and “For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form…”, Colossians 2:9 NIV. In short Jesus has continually possessed the fullness of the attributes of God and it is his hope that we too will come to posses the same fullness of the attributes of God.

yes and that is why Christ is all powerful just like his father. they have the same nature.

[jammin]

Quote (terraricca @ June 20 2014,10:23)

Quote (jammin @ June 19 2014,18:57) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,04:12) Quote (jammin @ June 17 2014,21:58) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2014,06:26) Quote (jammin @ June 16 2014,17:42) Quote (kerwin @ June 15 2014,05:35) Quote (jammin @ June 12 2014,07:37) it is not irrelevant. i am talking about the human nature here and being not all powerful is part of HUMAN's nature. the truth is you cant answer my question that is why. Jesus is equal with God in essence according to paul and all powerful is part of God's nature. so it is easy to explain this IF YOU WILL answer my question. is the president all powerful? yes or no?are you all powerful? yes or no? if both answers are NO, then you are equal in essence. believe it or not Jammin, When you set “all powerful” up as a characteristic to mark one essential nature different than another then any difference in power becomes a characteristic to mark one essential nature from another.  Since the president has more power than I do that follows his essential nature is different than mine. If you are attempting to male the cause of unlimited power verses limed power then even angels that are vastly more powerful than me have the same essential nature as I do. So you are saying that Jesus because he was all powerful emptied himself of all that power and obtained limited power.  So according to that foolishness God took on limited power and so no longer had the essential nature of God.   You are attempting to use reason to explain a doctrine that is illogical and you will fall flat when you attempt to do that.  In order for someone to accept your “reasoning” they have to deny true reason. Instead you need to believe Jesus existed in the nature of God in that he wall like God in true holiness and righteousness and that led him not seek to loot God's power but instead to humble himself and become God's servant.  That is the mind that Jesus continually had in him and the mind we believers are to seek to have in us. It is a simple instruction that can be hard to do.  Do not make it hard to understand. no. why? because the president is STILL NOT ALL POWERFUL unless he is God by nature. a human nature is not ALL POWERFUL. you cant say ALL POWERFUL if you have limitations and that is human nature. the bible tells us that jesus took the HUMAN form. it is clear that before he took the human nature, he was in the form of God and was EQUAL with God . i am not saying this just because i want to but because this is the doctrine of the bible. paul said Christ is God just like his father. phil 2.6 thomas said Jesus is HIS LORD AND GOD john 20.28 the jews understood that Christ claimed to be God and equal with God and that is the reason why they want to kill him! john 5.18 New International Version For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God. Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible but said also that God was his Father; his own Father, his proper Father, his Father by nature, and that he was his own Son by nature; and this they gathered from his calling him “my Father”, and assuming a co-operation with him in his divine works: making himself to be equal with God; to be of the same nature, and have the same perfections, and do the same works; for by saying that God was his Father, and so that he was the Son of God, a phrase, which, with them, signified a divine person, as they might learn from Psalm 2:7, and by ascribing the same operations to himself, as to his Father, they rightly understood him, that he asserted his equality with him; for had he intended no more, and had they imagined that he intended no more by calling God his Father, than that he was so by creation, as he is to all men, or by adoption, as he was to the Jews, they would not have been so angry with him; for the phrase, in this sense, they used themselves: but they understood him otherwise, as asserting his proper deity, and perfect equality with the Father; and therefore to the charge of sabbath breaking, add that of blasphemy, and on account of both, sought to put him to death; for according to their canons, both the sabbath breaker, and the blasphemer, were to be stoned (d). Jammin, Gill is using nature to define nature which makes me thing he does not know what it means.  He is giving commentary to make his point of view more clear and that does not make it more clear.  Let is stick to your point of view as I already know Gill is by point of view a trinitarian. You are clearly having trouble communicating your idea but it seems to me that you are trying to make the point that “power” is not the essential nature you are speaking of but unlimited power vs limited power is a characteristic of the essence you are talking about. So you claim Jesus was all powerful on earth even though he himself said after his resurrection and before his ascension that he was appointed by God as Lord of all things in heaven and on earth.  In that statement he was clearly not the one that had the power to appoint him to that position nor is their any evidence he was given that power to appoint another to that position.  Since he did not have that power and God did that means his power is limited and God's is not. You will not find a flaw in my claim that a characteristic of the nature of God Jesus existed in what to be righteous as Yahweh is as Jesus has never sinned even as Jehovah has never sinned. let us make this simple. i do not want things to be complicated. is all powerful part of God's essence/nature? yes or no? is MAN all pwoerful by nature/essence? yes or no? is the president all powerful by nature/ essence? yes or no? are you all powerful by nature/ essence? yes or no? i will give you 1m yrs to answer my questions Jaminn those are the most stupid questions I ever seen , the only reason you quote these is because you cannot answer Kerwin and Mike questions from scriptures so you have to use some clever wording what is so irrelevant to the scriptur es that their is no support for them , your attitude is the one that really hurt you ,you do not believe scriptures but only your religion , it is because you CANT answer the questions. ill repeat is the president all powerful? yes or no? are you all powerful? yes or no? kerwin, im still waiting for you to answer these questions jammin come down of your ego mountain, and see the prairies bloom

T

answer my question. you are full of pride.
i believe what is written in the bible and i give you WORD FOR WORD in the bible but you gave me fantasies.

can you answer my question or not?

kerwin,

i am still waiting for you to answer my questions

[jammin]

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Quote (jammin @ June 19 2014,18:49) Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2014,03:54) Jammin, I already pointed out Jesus is not all powerful as he was the one that was appointed not the one the one that did the appointing.  Since Jesus is not all powerful then it is clear that is not the essence of God or part of the essence he exists in. according to you, jesus is not all powerful. therefore he is not God by nature. the bible says Philippians 2:6 New International Version (NIV) 6 Who, being in very nature[a] God, Philippians 2:6 Amplified Bible (AMP) 6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [[a]possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], it is very clear that your doctrine is not written in the bible. according to paul, Christ is God by nature. if Christ is not all powerful, he is not God by nature ( according to you). if he is not God by nature, he is MAN. but paul said… phil 2.7 He became like men and was born a human being. do you understand that? why say ” he became like men” if he does not have pre existence? do you understand what i am saying? i believe what is written in the bible and the bible said Christ is God by nature and he is EQUAL WITH GOD. he is God and Lord, thomas said. HE is God, john said. he is God by nature, paul said. therefore, you are wrong. Jammin, What is clear is that none of these prove anything as the amplified includes in line cometary. For example “[[a]possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God]” “Except for the “which make God God” comment it is pretty much line.  I already pointed out Jesus is not all powerful and Jesus was tempted by evil which proves that claim is false. What Scripture states is “that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.”, Ephesians 3:19 NIV and “For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form…”, Colossians 2:9 NIV. In short Jesus has continually possessed the fullness of the attributes of God and it is his hope that we too will come to posses the same fullness of the attributes of God.

you said “we too will come to posses the same fullness of the attributes of God”

what verse is that? that is ridiculous. you are a false teacher.

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