what is your question mike??now you know what to do mike .never add your words to the scripture.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,13:53)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2012,20:51)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 25 2012,20:37)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2012,19:12)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 25 2012,20:03)That's EXACTLY what I said, Kathi.  I said that EVEN IN situations like David's, where “firstborn” wasn't literal, but used to show preeminence, he was…[Read more]

as you have said, let the bible explain itself. so dont you believe that rev 1.7-8 refers to christ?if not, who is he?

yes edj and the verse says that rev 1.7-8 refers to christ. he is the alpha and omega. he is coming

that verse refers to you edj.the bible says that Christ is the WORD. the son of GOD and not the holy spirit!make your own version

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,12:42)Quote (jammin @ Mar. 25 2012,19:23)King James Version (KJV)13It shall devour the strength of his skin: even the firstborn of death shall devour his strength.Actually, you help my point jammin.IF this verse wasn't metaphoric, and IF death was a real living being with sons of his own, then YES, the firstborn of…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,13:13)Quote (jammin @ Mar. 25 2012,20:07)there is nothing wrong with that verse. bec the father also says to his Son, you are GOD!CHRIST IS GOD BY NATURE! dont you understand mike? i did not say that the father is the son. i said, they have the  same nature, GOD!againexmple, you and your father have the same…[Read more]

not the Holy Spirit. BUT the SON OF GOD

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 26 2012,12:42)Quote (jammin @ Mar. 25 2012,19:23)King James Version (KJV)13It shall devour the strength of his skin: even the firstborn of death shall devour his strength.Actually, you help my point jammin.IF this verse wasn't metaphoric, and IF death was a real living being with sons of his own, then YES, the firstborn of…[Read more]

there is nothing wrong with that verse. bec the father also says to his Son, you are GOD!CHRIST IS GOD BY NATURE! dont you understand mike? i did not say that the father is the son. i said, they have the same nature, GOD!againexmple, you and your father have the same nature, MAN> you are truly man! not an animal mike!

Quote (david @ Mar. 26 2012,04:39)Quote (david @ Mar. 25 2012,04:42)Jammin, you said:“the son is also called the true GOD.”So I asked:”In this verse?  Where?  Please explain.  Please explain why your Bible inserts the words “Jesus Christ” when they don't exist in the original writing?  Were the original writers right, or was the translation tea…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2012,12:12)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 25 2012,20:03)That's EXACTLY what I said, Kathi.  I said that EVEN IN situations like David's, where “firstborn” wasn't literal, but used to show preeminence, he was STILL a member OF the group of which he was appointed the firstborn.Mike,He wasn't appointed as the 'firstborn of all…[Read more]

hi caarmel. i read the whole chapter 17 of john but i cant read your belief. can you give e the exact verse. you said that the holy spirit has his own spirit. where is that in john 17?

ill read that john 17. and thanks for the chapter.

thanks mike

firstborn of death is also a member of the death?? is that what you mean mike??your logic is wrong. it depends on how it will be used

ok

therefore, the thread has been answered. the Word really refers to Christ.

same explnation mike.rev 3.14 means Christ is the ruler of God's creation.

how many times i have told you that Christ was not created. you are always using that col 1.15 but your understanding is wrong. col 1.15 refers to supremacy of Christ! paul did not say he is created. even if you read that verse over and over again, you cant read that paul said he is created. that is just only your opinion.the reason why he is…[Read more]