Lightenup replied to the topic The Son is Equal to The Father: Trinity Fallacy! in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 9 months ago
Wow, that’s a lot of questions š
You said:
Please can you show me scripture verses that say that Jesus ALWAYS HAD ādivine and eternal essenceā. Surely a verse says that āthe Father was pleased that Jesus should be filled with ā¦the Holy Spiritā¦ā as sure as the fullness of the Holy Spirit alighted on Jesus at Jesusā baptism, and GOD SAID,…
Lightenup replied to the topic The Son is Equal to The Father: Trinity Fallacy! in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 9 months ago
Wow, that’s a lot of questions š
You said:
Please can you show me scripture verses that say that Jesus ALWAYS HAD ādivine and eternal essenceā. Surely a verse says that āthe Father was pleased that Jesus should be filled with ā¦the Holy Spiritā¦ā as sure as the fullness of the Holy Spirit alighted on Jesus at Jesusā baptism, and GOD SAID,…
Lightenup replied to the topic The Son is Equal to The Father: Trinity Fallacy! in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 9 months ago
Hello there Jael. You asked:
So if Jesus being āone with the Father makes him āGODā just as the Father is God, then why would the disciples (Actually, APOSTLES) NOT be āGODā as Jesus wished for them?
Being one with the Father is not what made the Son to be God. It is His divine and eternal essence that makes the Son to be God. Believers…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Son is Equal to The Father: Trinity Fallacy! in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 9 months ago
You ask a good question.
As I understand, the Father and the Son are equal in essence-two persons…one eternal and divine essence. (When I think of essence in perhaps a way to understand it according to this physical world, I think of two identical cells…they are two in number but one in essence.) In regards to the Father and the…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Son is Equal to The Father: Trinity Fallacy! in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 9 months ago
You ask a good question.
As I understand, the Father and the Son are equal in essence-two persons…one eternal and divine essence. (When I think of essence in perhaps a way to understand it according to this physical world, I think of two identical cells…they are two in number but one in essence.) In regards to the Father and the…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago
Hi Jael,
Good question, Jael. I only understand two persons in the unity, as well. I do not sense that the Holy Spirit is a third person but instead the Holy Spirit seems to be the united spirit of the two persons that extends from them without ever seperating from them. In a sense, the Holy Spirit seems to be the presence of the LORD…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 1 month ago
John 6:37-39
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will never turn away. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but to do the will of Him who sent Me. And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of all those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last…[Read more]Proclaimer replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 1 month ago
John 6:37-39
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will never turn away. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but to do the will of Him who sent Me. And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of all those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 1 month ago
you said:
LU, so you mean that it was God that made Jesus āperfectā in completing his works?
Wasnāt it JESUS who WAS PERFECTED ā¦
How does the word āperfectā (perfected) suddenly come to mean ācompletedā in the context of the verse?
LU, scriptures says that Jesus BECAME PERFECTā¦
But you say that it says that Jesus COMPLETED ?!!
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 1 month ago
Hi Jael,
you asked:
You said something about Jesus being always perfect.
What does Hebrews 5: 8-9 say?
How does āAFTERā¦learning obedience ā¦andĀ being made perfectā imply āwas always perfectā?
That word “perfect” is used in a sense of having completed the task. It does not imply that Jesus was an imperfect person.
Read what the commenta…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 2 months ago
you asked:
Oh, to the supporter of ābegetā doesnāt mean ābegetāā¦To the implier that beget implies something already existing:
Were Cain and Abel already existing when Adam begat them?
Beget does mean beget.Ā Adam took part in the conception of Cain and Able. Before that conception, they did not exist. From the moment of conception,…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 2 months ago
Hi Jael,
Did you realize that ontology has to do with the nature of a being and not their gender or their office?
The son of a human type of being would be another human type of being
The son of a particular animal, lets say a horse for example, would be another horse…and so on.
Jesus is clearly identified as the only begotten Son of…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 3 months ago
Hi Jael,
You asked:
Hi LU, can you (or anyone) explain to me what āa begotten Godā is?
In my understanding, GOD is oneā¦ āA begotten Godā would be āAānother God.
In fact, what exactly does the name, title or term, āGodā mean?
A central truth of the gospel is that Jesus is the only begotten son of God. I believe that He really is the onl…[Read more]
kerwin replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 3 months ago
God was most likely speaking as a member of the unity of the Spirit in which messengers and servants take part. We are told that their part was to celebrate when he pit the foundation stone in place.
That passage is vague as it was wrote with unwritten context so it is open to interpretation.
Note: If it is line with other creation…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years, 3 months ago
Hello Jael and welcome,
I understand your concerns about a three person Godhead. I understand a Father/Son/Holy Spirit Godhead although I consider it two persons and their united spirit (which is their “inner person” within them and extends from them with omnipresent potential). So that would be two persons and their united inner…[Read more]