Lightenup replied to the topic The Son is Equal to The Father: Trinity Fallacy! in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 8 months ago
you said:
Like, that does not make any sense at all.
‘They are both God’?
My response:
I said that together they are God, not independantly. We do not have two independent Gods. We have one God who is the Father together with His Son and their Holy Spirit. God the Father is not God apart from His Son and their Holy Spirit.
You asked me…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Son is Equal to The Father: Trinity Fallacy! in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 8 months ago
you said:
Like, that does not make any sense at all.
‘They are both God’?
My response:
I said that together they are God, not independantly. We do not have two independent Gods. We have one God who is the Father together with His Son and their Holy Spirit. God the Father is not God apart from His Son and their Holy Spirit.
You asked me…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Son is Equal to The Father: Trinity Fallacy! in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 8 months ago
you asked:
LU, what do you mean by ‘The Father and the son and THEIR HOLY SPIRIT’?
Are there TWO or just ONE Holy Spirit – and – WHOSE HOLY SPIRIT does SCRIPTURES say it is?
The Father has His own spirit, the Son has His own spirit. They are in complete unity as one Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is ever within them and has the potenti…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Son is Equal to The Father: Trinity Fallacy! in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 8 months ago
you asked:
LU, what do you mean by ‘The Father and the son and THEIR HOLY SPIRIT’?
Are there TWO or just ONE Holy Spirit – and – WHOSE HOLY SPIRIT does SCRIPTURES say it is?
The Father has His own spirit, the Son has His own spirit. They are in complete unity as one Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is ever within them and has the potenti…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Son is Equal to The Father: Trinity Fallacy! in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 8 months ago
you asked me:
If Jesus were God….LU… Why would we need to go through God to reach God?
Together they are God, not independantly. We go through Jesus because He is the way to the Father.
Lightenup replied to the topic The Son is Equal to The Father: Trinity Fallacy! in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 8 months ago
you said:
You will see that Jesus did not state, NOR DID ANY FIRST CENTURY APOSTLE, that Jesus was GOD, neither that Jesus was YAHWEH.
If you have the eyes to see, you would see that He did and that they did. But you don’t have the eyes to see this. I’m trying to help you, my young friend.
Answer this question:
In the power of what name…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Son is Equal to The Father: Trinity Fallacy! in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 8 months ago
you asked:
Lu, what IF Adam had not sinned – would there have been a SAVIOUR?
There would still have been one who was equipped to be a savior if necessary. If He was not needing to save any lost, Adam and Eve and all their descendants still needed Him to create them, give them life and care for them. It is through the Father AND the Son A…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Son is Equal to The Father: Trinity Fallacy! in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 8 months ago
you asked:
Lu, what IF Adam had not sinned – would there have been a SAVIOUR?
There would still have been one who was equipped to be a savior if necessary. If He was not needing to save any lost, Adam et al, still needed Him to create them and care for them.
“Let US make man.”
Lightenup replied to the topic The Son is Equal to The Father: Trinity Fallacy! in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 8 months ago
you asked:
Lu, what IF Adam had not sinned – would there have been a SAVIOUR?
There would stll have been one who was equipped to be a savior if necessary. If He was not needing to save any lost, Adam et al, still needed Him to create them and care for them.
“Let US make man.”
Lightenup replied to the topic The Son is Equal to The Father: Trinity Fallacy! in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 8 months ago
Slow down cause you are getting very confused and confusing. You are having a supposed dialogue with me while supplying words as if they were mine but they are not like “procreate” and “incubate” and Jesus as an “adopted son” and “begotten of Him BEFORE eternity,” etc., etc.. Come out of your world of confusion young man. Ask me one…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Son is Equal to The Father: Trinity Fallacy! in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 8 months ago
Please tell me what cult you are from that believes that Jesus is an adopted son of God.
Lightenup replied to the topic The Son is Equal to The Father: Trinity Fallacy! in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 8 months ago
you said:
WISDOM – a FEMININE engendered reference.
My response:
If you knew anything about Hebrew you would know that this concern of yours does not mean that ‘wisdom’ can’t represent a male figure. Go ahead and do a study on how the Hebrew language applies gender to nouns. Educate yourself.
Regarding the full chapter of Prov. 8, t…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Son is Equal to The Father: Trinity Fallacy! in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 8 months ago
I am going to try to make this as plain as I can for you.
The Son is BOTH the firstborn over all creation AND the firstborn from the dead.
He became the firstborn over all creation BEFORE all things were created through Him, thus He was begotten from the Father before creation during eternity past.
And much later….
He became the firstb…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Son is Equal to The Father: Trinity Fallacy! in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 8 months ago
I’m curious Jael, do you NOW UNDERSTAND that there is documentation that “today I have begotten you” refers to the resurrection day? And if you now do in fact understand this, do you want to apologize for this incredible insult of yours which I will quote here:
You said:
Lu, can you also explain how you come to believe that psalm 2 is…
Lightenup replied to the topic The Son is Equal to The Father: Trinity Fallacy! in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 8 months ago
you said:
Explain what you mean by ‘They are not words found in the original manuscript’.
I already have explained this to you. The correct translation of the words in the original manuscript is:
YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU.
Lightenup replied to the topic The Son is Equal to The Father: Trinity Fallacy! in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 8 months ago
you said:
Lu, what do you say to the declaration by the saints of scriptures that Jesus was ‘Begotten’ at his being raised from the dead?
I say: I have been telling this to you. I have shown you that the word ‘begotten’ can not mean ‘brought into existence’ since the Son had to exist in order to have been begotten from the dead. So when we…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Son is Equal to The Father: Trinity Fallacy! in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 8 months ago
you said:
Lu, what do you say to the declaration by the saints of scriptures that Jesus was ‘Begotten’ at his being raised from the dead?
I say: I have been telling this to you. I have shown you that the word ‘begotten’ can not mean ‘brought into existence’ since the Son had to exist in order to have been begotten from the dead. So when we…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 8 months ago
My husband is the head over me to protect me, to love me, and serve me well as Christ does for the church. Why would I have a problem with that protocol, unless the husband failed in that position and was abusive in some way, but if he does as he was designed by God to do, well, there are no complaints from me. Before I was married, my…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 8 months ago
My husband is the head over me to protect me, to love me, and serve me well as Christ does for the church. Why would I have a problem with that protocol, unless the husband failed in that position and was abusive in some way, but if he does as he was designed by God to do, well, there are no complaints from me? Before I was married, my…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 9 months ago
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