@t8

You speak to Jael as if you agree with him and his theology. Seriously? He doesn’t even believe in the pre-existence of Christ.

Also, you speak as if I am alone in my beliefs even when the Nicene Creed is what I believe in. Is that wise? Do you think I wrote the Nicene Creed? Do you really believe that I invented that creed? How silly. I’m…[Read more]

@jael

you said a bunch of wrong asumptions here:

a.You seem to think that we live by the Nicene Creed. No, Lu, WE (I) DO NOT.

b.You see no credit given to God for raising Christ: ‘He rose again on the third day’, as if he did so of himself!! This because the creed would have to explain how Jesus is God but had to be raised by someone GREATER – t…

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@jael

you said a bunch of wrong asumptions here:

a.You seem to think that we live by the Nicene Creed. No, Lu, WE (I) DO NOT.

b.You see no credit given to God for raising Christ: ‘He rose again on the third day’, as if he did so of himself!! This because the creed would have to explain how Jesus is God but had to be raised by someone GREATER – t…

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@jael

You are so confused.

you said:

Since trinitarians and JiG’s believe they are all the ONE PERSON…

Trinitarians believe they are three persons. You don’t even seem to know the basics of the trinity doctrine yet you debate it? Is that wise?

@jael

Seriously, you can’t see it?

you asked:

LU, read biblehub: “English Standard Version
“The LORD possessed me , the first of his acts of old.” (my brackets)

Where is my ‘misquote’?

Here is your original quote:

Suffice it to say that ‘an eternal son’ does not match with ‘possessed me as the first of his works’.

Those two quotes of yours a…[Read more]

@jael

you asked:

Lu, are you saying Jesus created mankind?

The unity of God made mankind of which the Father, Son and their Spirit are part of.

Genesis 1 25God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good. 26Then God said, “L…[Read more]

@jael

you said:

God is not a man’…that you should equate human fatherhood with the Spirit of God as Father.

Do human fathers have eternal sons within them? No. I am not equating the fatherhood of God to human fatherhood at all. Think…

Regarding Jesus as the second Adam…simply put…the One through whom the first Adam was created became par…[Read more]

@t8  @jael

Well, well…interesting to read your thoughts about what I believe while misquoting me, twisting my words, etc. Are ya’ll trying to do this on purpose for some strange satisfaction? Is that wise or does that show a lack? For instance, let me start with some of Jael’s comments:

Jael, you said:

She thinks of the PHYSICAL (fleshly)…

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@jael

Jael, you asked Andrew this:

Andrew, you should read what the scripture says, not what you WANT it to say.

Where does the text you wrote say that the father reveals the son?

Nowhere. It only says that the son reveals the father…

I assume that Andrew can handle this himself  but since this is an open discussion, I am willing to help you al…[Read more]

@jael

you say things but you don’t realize how you affirm the unity of the Father, Son and their Holy Spirit. Think about it, my young friend. The Son does nothing to completion apart from the Father and likewise, the Father does nothing to completion apart from the Son.

Who made the Father the creator? Answer…The Son who was the eternal life…[Read more]

@jael

Just meditate on the perfect, eternal unity of the Father and the Son with an open mind.

@jael

you said:

Lu, ever heard of the word, ‘OXYMORON’??

‘God has more authority than his son but they are both equal’!!

You, Jael, as a son of your earthly father, were subordinate to him while he was raising you. However, during that time and also now, you have both been equally human have you not??

@Jael

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For…[Read more]

@Jael

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.…[Read more]

@jael

Why do you write things to me as if I were supporting the three person/one God doctrine?

@jael

you said:

THE FATHER and the Spirit JESUS are NOT the SAME PERSONAL SPIRIT.

My response: I assume you meant to say the Spirit “of” Jesus there and my response will reflect that correction. Correct me if I assumed wrong. The spirit of the Father and the spirit of the Son are NOT the same personal spirit. That is also how I understand it.…[Read more]

@jael

you said:

THE FATHER and the Spirit JESUS are NOT the SAME PERSONAL SPIRIT.

My response: I assume you meant to say the Spirit “of” Jesus there and my response will reflect that correction. Correct me if I assumed wrong. The spirit of the Father and the Spirit of the Son are NOT the same personal spirit. That is also how I understand it.…[Read more]

@jael

you asked me:

Lu, how can JESUS be ‘ULTIMATE IN ALL CATEGORIES if he is SUBORDINATE TO THE Father?

Within the unity of God there is a level of authority and one is subject to the other because one was brought out of (begotten from) the other as His very own Son. Surely the one who begat would have more authority than the one who was b…[Read more]

@jael

You said:

LU, ‘God of God, Lord of Lords’ is speaking about GOD ALMIGHTY. There is no where where Jesus is mentioned as being ‘God of Gods and Lord of lords’.

My response:

Paul explains that the God of gods and the Lord of Lords is, for us, both, together, the Father AND the Son.

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@jael

You are a perfect example of a person who sees but cannot see. It is like you see the mountain without the valley. You cannot have one without the other, my friend. Think about it.

Jael, what you said here “God is ONE… Not a multiple…” is true but the “oneness” is an interdependent unity, not an independent singularity nor is it a t…[Read more]