Oh wow, Andrew…. You really pulled out all the stops on that misreading.

First off: Jesus’ ancestry is ACCORDING TO the family line as seen from the Jewish perspective. Jews (like hobbits of LOTR) put a lot of store by knowing their lineage… So since THEY knew nothing of Jesus’ CREATION in the manner of the first man, Adam, it is no surprise…[Read more]

Excellent, Andrew.

Lu, what do you say to the declaration by the saints of scriptures that Jesus was ‘Begotten’ at his being raised from the dead?

Can you show me a corresponding verse that corresponds accordingly to your belief that Jesus was ‘begotten’ from eternity??

Dear dear dear Andrew, I realise that you can’t read and understand spiritual things too well, so I will take this to mind in what you just said.

You fail to understand the connection between the Holy Spirit infusing the egg of Mary to enliven it as a SINLESS AND HOLY child, with, the breath of God (Holy spirit) infusing and enlivening the…[Read more]

Guys, wrongful perspective will never gain you the insight you are seeking.

‘Son of God’ is in no way referring to a ‘PROCREATION’ from God.

You MUST UNDERSTAND the definitions of the terms you are using in order to arrive at your goal.

The TITLE of ‘GOD’ is NOT A PERSON….!!!

‘God’ is a term …..a TITLE … OF A PERSON (properly, an ENTITY)…[Read more]

Lu, can you also explain how you come to believe that psalm 2 is referring to the day Jesus was raised from the dead ….when there is no documentation in scripture regarding this!

Is this your way of trying to defy the truth? See, it doesn’t work – all it does is show that you are being so disingenuous as to apportion scriptures incorrectly in…[Read more]

“My view has nearly always been that the son existed before creation. He is the Word. So yes, he existed before being begotten or being born into this world.”

Lu, you MUST DITCH wrongful ideology.

You idea is wrong wrong wrong…

God is ‘FATHER’ because the word and term means, ‘He who creates, he who brings forth, he who is the head…’

God…[Read more]

Lu, why are you telling me personal details? What purpose is this to the points raised in this thread?

Lu, you are snatching at straws.

Explain what you mean by ‘They are not  words found in the original manuscript’.

A ‘Son of God’ is one who does the work that the Father appoints him.

‘Son’ in scriptures relating to God does not mean ‘Offspring’. Such offspring refers to the created beings of humanity: Pro-Creation.

God creates – God does not Pro-Create.

Before creation of the Angels and the world God was just God. God then created which makes him ‘Father’…[Read more]

And why are you discussing ‘Jesus seeing God’?

Do you notice that the theme (by the sad trinity ideology) changed from ‘Sering God’ to ‘Seeing the Father’ in John 46? Yet ‘JiG’s never appear to notice this.

The Jews PERFECTLY claim God as their Father… Why disassociate the trinitarian view of the other two? What then is ‘the Son God’ to them…[Read more]

Andrew, the Jews misunderstanding Jesus is a common theme throughout the New Testament scriptures. Think of Nicodemus and ‘you must be born again…’

What of the various parables of which most Jews thought only nice phylosophical stories – completely missing the SPIRITUAL realisation.

Think of the Jews claiming Jesus said he was ‘God’ when…[Read more]

Andrew, all those claims that Jesus saw God… you are forcing words and meanings that do not exists in those verses.

First off: “God is SPIRIT”…. A spirit does not have shape.

Next: Doing what he sees the Father do IS NOT A VISUAL SEEING. It is SPIRITUAL. Jesus brought the testament of God, his Father, to the JEWS in the absolute hope that…[Read more]

No,Lu: this thread is where I desire to see the responders show their ideologies and theologies concerning the issue raised in the thread question and theology.

Your thread is where you discuss your questions

concerning your thread questions and ideology.

Andrew, what do you say about the huge gaff made in the report that the Jews replied to Jesus, ‘You are not yet 50 years old – and you have seen Abraham!!’

This after Jesus had ONLY SAID that ABRAHAM had seen HIS (Jesus’) day.

The response from the Jews does not tally with the statement from Jesus…

Could this be YET ANOTHER IRRATIONAL…[Read more]

Andrew, Jesus NEVER says he has seen  ‘God’… Where do you get that from?

Even the scriptures says that no man has seen the Father (or God) …’The SON WHO IS IN THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER, he has REVEALED HIM’.

The ‘Bosom’ position is exactly what we know it as: ‘Closest confidence’… The Father has revealed things to the son that no one else…[Read more]

Andrew….ANDREW… ANDREW….

So sad that you are debating, discussing, decrying… scriptures that you have extremely limited knowledge of!!

The Jews KNEW ALL ABOUT their foreFather, Abraham. Children were taught intensively about the Torah for their belief and because it was the formal method of personal and family and national teaching.

The…[Read more]

Please, Lu, in your response to my last question please relate it to prophecy in Isaiah 42:1 and the timely realisation in Matthew 12: 17-21.

Who is the prophecy about and who confirmed that prophecy at the latter time?

LU, you said that Jesus said he ‘came out of the Father.’

Is my English bad or were the words, ‘I came out FROM the Father.’

Jesus stated that he was taught by the Father… that he could do or say nothing except what he saw and heard the Father tell him.

You say Jesus was that Same Almighty God: YHWH, yet Jesus had to WAIT to be taught, WAIT…[Read more]

LU, you cannot say that the Father is the only true God … ‘Together with….’.

It is clear that you are realising your grave error. I urge you to consider deeply the ideas you are obviously misappropriating as your ideology.

‘together with THEIR SPIRITS’?

lu, schoolgirl error. Now there are SIX ALMIGHTIESaccording to your floundering…[Read more]

Oh, and by the way… The Stone…

You say the stone talked about was Christ Jesus.

What is the meaning of the name, ‘Peter’?

Is it not ‘The Stone’??

So what would be your conclusion now: that Peter, was  Christ Jesus? Or that ‘the Stone’ previously and afterwards mentioned was Peter, the Apostle?

Afterall, wasn’t there a mention of Peter…[Read more]