Quote (Robyn † @ Aug. 18 2006,18:52)Quote (david @ Aug. 18 2006,18:35)Yet, if the world went to war today, you would find your Catholic brothers who are supposed to love you, trying to kill you.  Not love.  Is it?Okay…that just proves that Catholics are human.  We are not perfect.  Are you perfect?   Didn't think so.  Only God is perfect.<…[Read more]

Dear Ty,Please read this and tell me if you think it is interpreted correctly?

Dear Ty,I believe that even though I believe that a man is saved by accepting Christ and then must be baptized by water and the Holy Spirit, I don't see that there is any difference in what you believe other then the fact that you don't believe the man is not completely saved until has be baptized by all the baptisms.I believe it is wrong to teach…[Read more]

Why I mentioned the laying on of hands is because it is how most received and receive the baptism. And the reason I asked if salvation comes by the laying on of hands is because of you saying that a man is not saved unless he has received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. So if a man accepts Christ, but later is baptized in the Holy Spirit by the…[Read more]

Oxy, Ty just took your two bucks.

Before I was filled with the Spirit I had salvation. When I had received the baptism of the Spirit I also understood love.Dear Oxy,When I was saved, what filled my heart was the love of Christ. If that is not the Spirit, I don't know what is. The baptism is the infilling.

Robyn,This is how one is saved. It has nothing to do with baptisms of water or the baptism of the Holy Spirit. What it has to do is recognizing that we are all guilty of sin. And because of that, we are all going to die unless we are forgiven of our sins. We cannot live a life in the flesh without sinning. That is why God sent his Son to earth in…[Read more]

Quote (Oxy @ Aug. 18 2006,01:24)Here's my $2 worth.  You can be saved, but not filled with the Holy Spirit.  It's a bit like having a car with no petrol.  You can't grow as a Christian without the baptism in the Holy Spirit, nor benefit yourself or others with the fruit or gifts thereof.There are many good Christians who have not received the ad…[Read more]

Ty, please don't get angry brother. I love you and believe your stand in the faith is far better then most. I know I have rattled your cage.The point I am trying to get across is that salvation comes by believing. And then if one has not received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, which most don't, it is given with the laying on of hands. Salvation…[Read more]

Ty, can a man be saved by the laying on of hands?

Quote (Robyn † @ Aug. 18 2006,00:16)Interesting.  None of you must think that  Catholics can be saved.  I'm sure the average Christian might think that some Roman Catholics are saved due to sincerity or to their good works.  I'm sure you guys probably don't believe that any Catholics will be saved due to your harsh interputations of the scriptu…[Read more]

Quote (typrsn @ Aug. 18 2006,00:27)Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ Aug. 18 2006,00:11)Gee ty, you mean to tell me that when a man is born again, and Christ is in that man, that the Holy Spirit is not in that man. That is what I am referring to as part of the Holy Spirit.H,I will not even respond to your post above, as you are dull of hearing. Do…[Read more]

Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 18 2006,00:12)Think of the countless millions who were saved, but because of ignorance or deception, went to the grave without the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Why would God have wasted his time saving them, if only to allow them to not receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit and go to the grave. Would that not be a waste of…[Read more]

Nick, how can you consider yourself a christian and not know these things? Here is proof that Christ is in us. The first two scriptures and the rest deal with being saved.Gal. 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: neverthless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God,…[Read more]

Gee ty, you mean to tell me that when a man is born again, and Christ is in that man, that the Holy Spirit is not in that man. That is what I am referring to as part of the Holy Spirit.

You mean like the blood scriptures I posted Ty. I will post them again. I don't think I left many out. There are all that pertain to the first baptism. The baptism that saves us. Why do believers want to rob salvation of the blood that saves them? Do you not understand the importance of the blood. Without the blood, there would be not remission of…[Read more]

Ty, show me where it says that if you don't receive these baptisms that you will not be saved. I can show you where it says judge and ye shall be judged. Do you know the hearts of men. Are you God? Can you see into the heart of the man and say who will and will not be saved? NO. All I am saying is to say if a man does if a man does not receive the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 17 2006,23:50)Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ Aug. 17 2006,23:43)Nick, do I have to take you by the hand? I thought you knew the scriptures?Hi H, Your hand would lead me off the path of simplicity into the byways of men at times. My hand is already being held by one I can fully trust thanks.I am sorry Nick. I will show you…[Read more]

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. When does Christ enter the man? When he is saved. And if Christ is in that man, what man can say the Holy Spirit is not there also. When a man is saved, part of the Holy Spirit is…[Read more]

Nick, do I have to take you by the hand? I thought you knew the scriptures?