Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Amen LightenUp to your reference to Jesus as the Christ as a babe and young child, “the Anointed”, in those two lovely scriptures from Mark & Luke.
It is so true that only by the Spirit can anyone make such confessions as Jesus said to Peter in Matthew 17. It’s great to have the vail taken away from our hearts to truly know who Jesus is, isn’t…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Ed J,
there is text colour palette on the dropdown from the options bar at the top (the to rectangles with dotes in it).
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
So writes John Gill:
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,…. By whom is meant, the third person in the Trinity; so called, to distinguish him from all other spirits; and who was given to Christ as man, without measure, whereby he was qualified for his great work: and intends the Spirit of Jehovah, with all his gifts and graces, who was, and abode…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Hi Berean,
How true your post is.
Tragically Jodi and Gene not only don’t see that Jesus Christ was the “Lord from heaven”, but see Jesus the Second MAN as of the seed of fallen Adam, a second ADAM, and only becoming the Son Of God at Jordan when he was anointed with the Holy Spirit, with the full measure of the Spirit. This is a different MAN t…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
To LightenUp,
Yes I know Jodi is wrong. Thanks.
The whole Hebrews epistle is teaching how much greater the Son is than all that went before Him, greater than Abraham, or David or Joshua or Aaron or Moses or Angels even as he was before them all, the Lord from heaven. In the very beginning of the epistle it tells us that God spoke by His Son…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Hi Jodi,
Thankyou for quoting all those precious scriptures.
I, like all those saved by grace through faith, those born again (born from above) and filled with the person of the Holy Spirit, the other Comforter, know full well that Jesus is the seed of Abraham, the seed of David, the Prophet like unto Moses, the Priest after the order of…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Hi All,
Of whom does the prophet Isaiah speak in chapter 42? Of Christ, the Messiah, the Son Of God. As Jesus said to the man healed of his blindness “Dost thou believe on the Son of God? He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him. And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with the…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Gene,
The blessed Apostle Paul, when writing to Timothy, charged believers before the Lord “that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting/apostatize of the hearers.” I will not engage in striving over words.
Christians believe that God is indeed ADON of all the earth. ADON of all ADON’s, Master of all masters. But as in E…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Gene,
You are disingenuous- you have been answered but obviously don’t like the answer. Since you won’t read the scriptures I sent you answering you very specifically here are two of them:”Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the Lord (H113 Adon) GOD (H3068 Jehovah), the God (H430 Elohim) of Israel.” Exo 34:23…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Gene,
Please reread my posts – I have answered you and gave you references to check where “Adon” was used in Exodus & Deuteronomy for Jehovah.
Please answer my question with the scriptures I asked for.
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Hi Carmel,
Isn’t the Apostle John, speaking by grace and revelation which the Holy Ghost gives, so wonderful in his gospel and epistles in declaring the divinity of Jesus?
The scriptures you quote from John 13, 14 and 17 and 1 John 5 are such a blessing. How wonderful that Jesus should encourage us to believe in him in the same way we believe i…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Thankyou Ed J for that lovely passage from Prov 30. How wonderful it is to truly recognise who Jesus is. Praise God.
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Gene,
Two points for you:
re: Ps110:1 You claim the second “Lord/Adon”) in the sentence means a human ruler. While Adon can be used for a human master (see Genesis 18:12, one of many such examples), I note the following:
Strong’s “âdôn (aw-done’) From an unused root (meaning to rule); sovereign, that is, controller (human or divine…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Gene,
I comprehensively addressed the text. You unfortunately are blind in the reading of scripture and simply want to argue your interpretation of scripture rather than know the truth or even honestly accept the plain wording and meaning of scriptural texts.
As I said before Jesus’ question to the Pharisees (and quote from Ps 110) was be…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Amen LightenUp.
An error that Jodi and Gene keep perpetrating is that Jesus was only the Son Of God from his anointing, being a son of Adam from his birth, both of which are co tarry to scripture.
The Angel Gabriel said to Mary “The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy t…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Hi Gene,
In reply to your last post I first need to reiterate that I do not agree with your interpretation of scripture as will be apparent from this post. Christians believe the scriptures which teach among other things that Jesus was human. I have been clear I don’t agree with your view even of the way you see Jesus became human. So let’s be…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Hi GeneBalthrop,
Thankyou for your post. I can, as all Christians can, honestly see Jesus speaking the way He did as the Son Of Man, a human and believing God is ONE, ONE God and GOD is a Spirit, Invisible for “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.” John 1:18. The…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Jodi,
There is so much confusion in your reasoning that it is alarming.
It is unfortunate that you fail to understand that Christians believe in the humanity of Christ, and that in that humanity (when manifested) he lived utterly dependent on God, always only doing what God gave him to do or speak, always achieving the prophetic promises…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Jodi,
In a post you directed to Davo you said that Elohim is the “Powers (plural) of YHWH’s Spirit” that created and that this ONE Spirit consists of multiple powers.
Replacing that concept throughout chapter 1 of Genesis (let alone throughout the 2605 times in the the KJV Bible) I think shows the interpretation. It makes Powers/Spirit have…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Hi Jodi,
There is nothing in what you say that a “triune” Christian doesn’t believe. Of course Jesus was anointed as Isaiah 61 says (Matthew 3:16, Luke 4:18) and Jesus the MAN did all things through the indwelling Spirit including being led of the Spirit (Matthew 4:1), facing and defeating the Devil in temptations answering back as MAN (Matt…[Read more]
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