Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Hi T8,
I agree with your comments re: Jodi. Well said.
Jodi unfortunately refuses to acknowledge the plain meaning of text in scripture but instead has to manipulate it to fit in to a predetermined theological position she holds.
As you said she keeps quoting scriptures about Jesus as a man which (is already acknowledged by born again…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Hi LightenUp,
Loved the quote from 1 Corinthians 13. In the beautiful epistle Of 1 John we see God revealed as Life, Light and Love. Through Christ Jesus being Son of God and Son Of Man, Life, Light and Love (the fullness of God) has been made accessible to us so we can have fellowship with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ, together…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Hi LightenUp,
re: blindness
It is Absolutely true that God is the giver of light and by turning to Christ all blindness is healed. We Give “thanks unto the Father, which has made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who has delivered us from the power of darkness, and has translated us into the kingdom of his dear S…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Hi LightenUp,
re: righteousness – Just a point of clarification that our discussion has been about who was meant in the Jeremiah passages as Jehovah our Righteousness. This scripture clearly confirms that it is Christ as we see in this verse “of him (God) are you in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Hi LightenUp,
I agree with your post on Jehovah our righteousness. Both Jeremiah 23:6 and Jeremiah 33:16 are talking of the “Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David”, the one raised “unto David a righteous Branch”, a King that “shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth”, and “execute judgment and r…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Amen T8. Very well put.
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
To T8:
I agree with you. The World of which the Apostle Paul is speaking in 1 Cor 4:4 is the present evil world (spirit of disobedience) under the dominion of Satan, the father of lies, deceit and murder, not the physical world.
Of this evil dominion, Satan who was a sinner from the beginning is the head and Satan’s works are sin (by which he g…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
LightenUp and Berean,
It certainly is clear from scripture that where “a people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed” that Isaiah 6 applies as we see from Jesus’s words in Matthew 13:14-17 and as the Apostle Peter says Christ is “And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence even to them wh…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Hi Jodi,
Three questions on John 3 again.
1. Are you aware that in the Greek the phrase “that came down” is katabainō meaning “descend” and is used 80 times in the New Testament in a consistent way e.g. the same word is used in all the gospels where it speaks of the Spirit descending like a dove (e.g. Matthew 3:16, John 1:33) and in the verse…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Jodi,
In your post starting “Abraham spoke to Yah but not literally face to face. ”, you made the following comment later on under “Back to John 3“ in the paragraph “In John 3 Jesus says a man must be born again of water and of the Spiri to see God’s kingdom, <span style=”color: #ff9900;”>we then hear prophecy that he is the only MAN who ascende…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Oh dear Gene,
I hear the subtil serpent’s voice in your replies “For God does know that in the day you eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and you shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.” (Genesis 3:5). You, like Eve, are deceived into thinking that that tree was “a tree to be desired to make one wise”.
How dreadful is your argumen…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Gene,
We know God has foreknowledge. This is not the issue.
Adam was not “knowing” evil as a victim. He knew evil by doing evil, by disobeying. What you are still arguing for is that one has to commit disobedience for themselves, to truly have an understanding of (“know”) evil and that by doing so one gains “wisdom” and becomes like Jehovah in…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Re: the god of this world. Some scriptures to think on.
“In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” 2Co 4:4
“Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.” Joh 12:…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
To GeneBalthrop,
Think through your argument Gene re: knowing good and evil. The implication of your argument is that God had to experience committing evil, “experience is the best teacher” in order “to know good and evil” (Genesis 3:22). This is patently incorrect. “But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conver…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
To LightenUp,
Amen to your post on Yahweh being the unity of the Father, the Son and the Spirit. Very well expressed.
We are told that the prophets of old when enquiring and searching diligently about the grace and salvation that has come to us did so by the Spirit Of Christ “Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Jodi,
You: Jehovah was one of the three “men,” the other two were angels.
My Response: An interpretation to suit your theology but it is clearly contrary to the text of Genesis 18.
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
If Jesus were of Adam, as argued in this forum, then this would have applied to him “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so <u>death passed upon all men</u>, <u>for that all have sinned</u>:” Romans 5:12
Yet Jesus was without sin as scripture teaches “For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched w…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Hi LightenUp,
In answer to your question LightenUp, the short answer is Jesus was anointed because he was the Son Of God.
Here is a more detailed answer. While there are other scripture we could use to show support for this response, suffice it to limit ourselves to John’s gospel and his epistle and to Colossians 1. To start with I will quote f…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Dear Ed J, LightenUp and Carmel,
Be encouraged dear friends. Content for the faith, exhort and rebuke with all authority.
The beloved Apostle Paul, speaking by grace and revelation, informs us the Father himself has testified (Colossians 1) that:
- <b>ALL THINGS </b>were “created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and i…
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Ed J,
Bless you in your love and honour for Jesus, the Son of God, the Word made flesh, He who is truly MAN and truly GOD in whom God Himself resided reconciling the world unto God himself, and we have every right to bow to Christ Jesus and worshipped him in the same manner as the Father. They are false accusers that accuse Christ’s true f…[Read more]
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