Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Hi Jodi,
It is wonderful to be the abode of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, having been baptised into Christ Jesus, buried with him and raised by the glory of the Father into newness of life, knowing my old man is crucified and that I am free from sin and that I am now living unto God and able to yield myself unto God, as one that is…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
To T8:
Amen I enjoy blessed fellowship with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ, and know the only true God and Jesus Christ who the Father sent and have tasted that the Lord is gracious and to me He is very precious.
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
T8:
You know the gospel message:
That God having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless us, in turning away every one from their iniquities. God has winked at our ignorance and now commands all men every where to repent, be converted, turn to and believe in God who raised Jesus from the dead, do works meet for repentance and experience…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Hi T8:
T8 Jesus said “I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly” and John said he wrote his Gospel “that you might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you might have life through his name”. Again both in John 17 and 1 John 1 the purpose of God is that we know him and have fe…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
T8:
Question: Who is Jesus to you (in one paragraph)?
Your Answer: Jesus is the Son of God. He is the Christ.
My Answer: I agree with that statement as far as it goes but the follow on from that is your next question
You asked: “I and the Father are one”. Does this mean they are the same being or God?
What is your answer to your own ques…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
To T8:
As I said before declare your beliefs first then we will continue further discussion.
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
T8:
In my posts I comprehensively covered the topic under discussion, comparing scripture with scripture, and being led I believe by the Holy Spirit. It is my practise to seek the face of the Lord in understanding the Scriptures.
While I agree with you regarding Jesus preexisting Abraham I am confirmed in my understanding. I quoted just three of…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Hi LightenUp,
I have started reading the thesis you sent by a link. It being 384 pages long I won’t be replying anytime soon. In any event I don’t see the value in continuing dialogue on this particular subject as you obviously have a set your mind the interpretation of the text.
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Hi T8,
Re: I AM
Everyone using the term “I am” is declaring who they are or what they did or where they come from including Jesus. But men can be deceived when speaking this way. While the Jews claimed to be of Abraham’s seed, which was true, nevertheless their Father was the Devil because of the Spirit they were moving in (John 8:33-…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Hi LightenUp,
The connection between LOST of 2 Cor 4:3 and Luke & Matthew where Jesus said he came to seek and save the LOST (the perishing) is simply to demonstrate it would not be God Almighty as the “god of this world” Of 2 Cor 4:4 who blinds the LOST since it is the LOST that Jesus came to save. No claim was made that all the Lost (pe…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Hi LightenUp,
I canvassed John 9 in a previous post.
Blessings.
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Hi LightenUp,
Re: god of this World – blindness – 2 Corinthians 4:4
We know that God is all powerful -Omnipotent. This is not in question. All will be judged by Him, and receive their destiny according to what that have done while alive (Romans 2:1-11). We know that “the devil that deceived them (the nations)” will be “cast into the lake of fi…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
T8:
Thanks for your post. I appreciate your input and agree with much of what you say about why they wanted to stone Jesus. However, I note that Gabriel is saying I am Gabriel, the blind man is saying I am the man that was born blind, Peter is saying I am the man you seek. The many times Jesus says I am relates to a truth about himself as you…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
A great piece on idols and idolatry LightenUp.
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Hi Jodi,
You said: “according to God’s word, FIRST you have a son of David, and THEN God makes him into His own Son, why we read in Luke 1 that Jesus before he is born is already said to be the son of David“.
You have it back to front. John chapter 1 says:
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The sam…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Hi Jodi,
I have gone through OT and NT scriptures showing you the use of the term ROOT. I am not going over the same ground again and again.
Jesus called God His Father at the age of 12.
“Abraham rejoiced to see” Christ’s day: “and he saw it, and was glad.” “Then said the Jews unto him, You art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abra…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Gene,
The “Lion of the tribe of Juda” IS “the root of David” he didn’t come from the root of David. “I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star”.
Always best to read scripture correctly.
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Hi Jodi,
Re: Root and Stem
The first thing we should remember in our discussions on scripture is that the NT Apostles and prophets had a “dispensation of the grace of God” and received truth “by revelation” concerning things in “other ages that were not made known unto the sons of men”. Their understanding therefore, by that grace and revelation,…[Read more]Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
To LightenUp,
Praise God we have a common understanding regarding God the Father and Jesus Christ His Son.
Regarding the topic “god of this world”, we need to understand that the “world” Paul is talking of is “this present evil world” out of which born again children of God are delivered, not the created “world” that the Almighty God created whi…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Hi GeneBathrop,
You: “words out of Jesus’ own mouth, like him saying this, “I am the root and “offspring ” of King David”
My Response: this very scripture proves the point that was being made about the way you and Jodi interpret scripture to suit your theology. In that very scripture Christ is called “root” as well as “offspring”. You are happy…[Read more]
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