Amen to that post brother Gene,You said it right. Jesus had to be like us in all respects to be an example to us. If he is from different stock and origin it makes him a different being and he can not be our model. Trinity and preexistence make Jesus somebody who is different from our nature and only mysticism can believe such dogma.Love and peace…[Read more]

Hi brother Kerwin,I know nobody will agree with my views on deviating from the faith on Virgin Birth. Certainly many scholars like Rudolf Bultmann, Raymond E. Brown, John A.T. Robinson, John Shelby Spong etc. have argued on this issue that no literal Virgin Birth is possible except to create Jesus as incarnation of God or sinless man based on…[Read more]

Hi brother Nick,I am sorry I am disappointing you by my posts. You might have noticed by this time that I am reading my Bible with a more critical view. I just can't accept everything available in the Bible as it is. As many in this forum also noticed that our Bible is having many controdictions(holes) on doctrines and concepts. Therefore there is…[Read more]

For brother Kerwin and Sis Kathi,This is the wonderful thread on virgin birth. But I can't agree with both of you on virgin birth. I thank brother Kerwin for his patience in explaining me in details. But I don't see any necessity of virgin birth since Jesus has to be a child of Adam and to be one like us. I don't see any mythological virgin birth…[Read more]

Hi brother Kerwin,Once again I thank you for such prompt reply. Now you are more clear in your reply. I agree with you that Jesus was not a flesh and blood son of God. But many people think here that Jesus had Mary as his mother and God as his father. What do they mean by this? Was God his literal father I mean flesh and blood father? I may not…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2009,19:04)gollamudi wrote:Quote Brother Kerwin says that Jesus became son of God even at his conception because the Holy Spirit was involved in his conception. I want to ask him; whether Jesus was flesh and blood son of God?I seem not to have been as clear spoken as I believed I was.   There were two different events…[Read more]

Amen brother Gene,You said it right about the figurative language of Fourth Gospel. 'He came down from heaven as the bread of life' or 'he came down from God' such language is common for a Jew to understand them in a figurative sense but not to be taken literally. Yes, you are also right in saying Jesus existed in the plan of God even before the…[Read more]

For brother Nick,Here is what the different understanding of Jn1:1 & 14 says as you often quote that Jesus was reborn at Jordan;”Beloved, we need to properly understand the great mystery which lies hidden in the WORD that was with God. We should not do what some Bible translators and interpreters have done by directly equating the WORD with JESUS.…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2009,20:04)Hi GM, Do you not realise Jesus was conceived in Mary of the Spirit of our God?This is the point I am not getting my brother Nick. What do you mean by saying that Mary conceived Jesus by the Holy Spirit? Was it a physical relation or Spiritual? Was Jesus a literal I mean flesh and blood son of God?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2009,21:44)Hi GM, God had many sons with Him before Jesus came in the flesh.But none were said to be infilled with His Spirit.I am beginning to wonder if the begettal spoken of in scripture is when Jesus was reborn of God's Spirit at the Jordan. It is the Spiritual sonship we can share with him and His God.Hi brother…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2009,21:16)Yes GM, I am surprised you have fallen into such confusion. Bad company affects folks.Hi brother Nick,Thanks for you concern for me. Infact I am not fallen into trap of confusion. But I am really feel sad about our no-ending debate on Trinitarianism Vs Non-trinitarianism and preexistence Vs No-preexistence.…[Read more]

The problem with our Bible is, it talks with two tongues. I see both WJ and Bodhitharta are justified in their own way. We are debating here expecting who will win. I don't see a day in the near future to get it settled.Peace to youAdam

Quote (kerwin @ April 24 2009,22:48)Quote (gollamudi @ April 24 2009,17:31)You are right brother Kerwin,Even when I quoted two scriptures above, brother Nick says Bible does not agree with me. Then he has to answer which scripture is correct.I was interpreting Nick's answer and it seemed to be he was saying I needed to accept contradictions.   If…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2009,08:13)Hi GM, Jesus had to be reborn of the Spirit of God to become one with God.We follow him as reborn sons.Hi brother Nick,So you agree with me that Jesus was not a human son of God but a spiritually begotten son?

You are right brother Kerwin,Even when I quoted two scriptures above, brother Nick says Bible does not agree with me. Then he has to answer which scripture is correct.

Yes, brother Nick,Mere quoting that God has begotten a son will not help us. Please explain how he has begotten a son? In what manner? Can God procreate something like we human do?There lies the answer for those jugglery of all those words.ThanksAdam

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2009,19:27)Hi GM, Scripture disagrees with you. Lk1 35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.Hi brother Nick,No where in the scripture it…[Read more]

Hi brothers Gene and Kerwin,You are right in saying that Jesus is not human son of God but a spiritual son. As per Paul's statement in Rom 1: 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the…[Read more]

Excellent comment! brother Kerwin