I know that Nick.

I think that is better way to explain real sacrifice.

What is that you want to say? I have given my opinion that Jesus was talking about two literal births of a person who can enter into kingdom of God, as also you quote “to born again”. He was not talking about any Baptisms here, my friend.

I agree with that my brother T8.

Hi Sister Irene,Greetings to you. Please tell me whether I can access this Ventrilo server in these days.

Cheers to you as you said that.

Cheers to you as you said that.

WoW! there is so much depth in this theory. Oh! God I can't get even the tail from it.But thanks to you, cato.

Please read the words of Jesus to Nicodemus in Jn 3:3-8,See the parallelism in the words “born of water and of spirit” as well as “born of flesh and of spirit”. I believe jesus is talking about two births ; one is of the water or of the flesh and the second of the spirit. Not as many think that he was talking about water Baptism and Spirit baptism. IMO

Good night Mandy, sweet dreams.

So there is no preexistence only preplanning of God the Father that clearly spelt out in minute details of when Jesus had to take birth and when to give up his breath on the cross (Gal 4:4).Thanks brother Gene.

There is truth in these words brother Nick. I agree with you brother Gene.

Quote (Not3in1 @ June 25 2008,18:08)Quote (gollamudi @ June 25 2008,17:59)Hi Sis what's the time now, still you are awake?It's 11:10 p.m. here in WA State.I usually stay up late, it's the only time I have to myself.Thanks Mandy here it is 11:45 am dt 25-06-08

Amen my Sis, let our brother Nick also realise this. I always stress on this because Jesus' natural body is the first not the Spiritual body which he got at his resurrection. That clears the ambiguity of preexistence. IMOLove to youAdam

So what is that new thing you have invented here everybody believes that?

Amen to that post therefore Jesus is our example in sacrificing himself to God our Father.

Hi Sis what's the time now, still you are awake?

Amen to that post brother WJ. God demands honour and reverence through His Son Jesus for the glory of God the Father. Because Son is only tangible in divinity whom we can see and feel. If you honour the Son you also honour the Father.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 25 2008,16:35)Hi GM, Read the scriptures for yourself.We are one in Spirit and united by submission to the demand of God to be reborn of water.Hi Nick,Your way of telling that “we are born of water” is equalent to water Baptism is some thing funny. No one is born of water Baptism, my friend but by the symbolic water of…[Read more]

A BIG PRAISE GOD for all those wonders.Love to youAdam