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Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 21 2009,21:40)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 20 2009,06:42) Hi TK, Do you think he was addressing all men and telling them repentance is unnecessary and none needs to be reborn because God lives within all already? Wake up. God does not dwell in sin. Hey Nick: I agree God does not dwell in sin. Jesus cleansed us from all sin. If you accept and believe it. Do you believe you are cleansed from all sin? I believe! Bless you, TK

TK

Christs work is only half finished; I know he said, “it is finished”, but that referred to his dieing for our sins only.
He now has to remove all sin from all men, that will happen during the millennium, only after he has done that, will God dwell with men.
If you have faith in Christs sacrifice, than God will not impute sin to you, but can you say that all men do? I hardly think so.
Just look at the many different believes of the few people on this forum, every body thinks they are right in what they believe, don't you?
After the millennium, all men will know the truth, than Christs work will be finished.

Georg

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Quote (katjo @ Nov. 21 2009,14:53)

And no! I dont beleive in three Gods! ONe God who became flesh to take on the sins of the world! Who was the creator!

katjo

God, the Father, is immortal, that means, he can not die.

1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

That is why he send his first born.
After Jesus died for us, than God gave him immortality.

Jhn 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

No, it was not God who became flesh, it was his first born, his son.

Georg

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,19:33)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,13:51) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 21 2009,13:46) Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God. Luke 9:59-61 Does that mean you admit that you do NOT believe in the Resurrection(the most essential part of the Gospel)? For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. Matthew 22:29-31 Was Jesus resurrected?

bod

What Jesus said in this scripture is only for the saints who will come up in the first resurrection, as spirit beings.

Georg

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bod

You are mistaking, there are no contradiction in the bible, only misunderstandings in man.

Georg

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Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,15:16)

Were the 10 commandments done away with? Of course NOT! Deut.6:1-2 Now these are the “commandments”, the “statutes”, and the “judgments”, which the LORD(YHVH) your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it: That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged. In the mount of transfiguration we find three people who illustrate these three. Moses: The Commandments; “10” in Old Testament, “2” in New Testament. Elijah: The Judgments; rewards and punishments. Jesus: The Statues; Jesus fulfilled the statues(contained in ordinances), and done away with them. Eph.2:15: Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Exodus 34:28 So He was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights, He neither ate bread or drank water. And He wrote the words of the covenant the Ten Commandments.
We are under a New Covenanat in
Luke 22:19 …”This cup is the new covenant in My Blood, which is shed for you.”
And He gave us the greatest commandments in
Math. 22:37 “You shall love your God with all of your heart and all of your soul, and all of your mind.
verse 38
“This is the first and great commandment.
verse 39
“And the second is like it;” You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
verse 40
“On these two commandments hang all of the Law and the Prophets.”
These commandments are all that Jesus gave us, are the same as the old covenant except the Sabbath. We were never under that commandment. It was a sign between God and Israel.
Exodus 31:16 “Therfore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath throughout their generation as a perpetual covenant.
verse 17
“It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever….
There you have it.
Peace and Love Irene

[georg]

To all! Why is it so complicated, Jesus by His own words in
John 17:5 says this
“And now O Father glorify Me with Yourself with the glory I had with You before the world was.
Rev. 3″14″ These things says the Amen, the True and Faithful Witness, the BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD.”
Col.1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
verse 1:16 For by Him all things were created, that are in heaven and that are in earth……..
verse 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.

verse 18 tells us that He also is the firstborn of the death; So that in all things He may have preeminence. Meaning He was first in all.

I really don't understand how you can just ignore these Scriptures, or even make something else out of it.
If Christ says so why is it you don't even believe Him.
John 1:1 also states that He was there in the beginning with God.
Christ had a beginning He did not always existed like some might want to believe.
Peace and Love Irene

[georg]

FORGIVE AND YOU SHALL BE FORGIVEN

1 How great is the love of our Father, Who calls us His dear Sons!
When Christ comes again, we shall be like Him, we'll see Him like He is.
And this is the love He has shown us, that Christ laid down His life for all.
So we ought to lay down our lives for our brethren, to this end you are called.
2 When bringing your gift to the altar, you think of an offence,
You go and become one with your brother, then bring your gift again.
And should someone sin against you, go see him you and him alone,
Be kind, have compassion, let go of your anger and be at peace again.

3 To all our example of living should be a shinning light,
Be willingly under authority, give due respect to all.
And if you endure pain and suffering from unjust cause or oversight,
Then stand strong and live Christ's example before us, trust Him who judges all.

Chorus
Forgive and you shall be forgiven, Show mercy and this you will have soo,
Do good to all, even your enemies.
Be merciful to others as your Father is to you.

Peace and Love Irene

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bod

“What other voice was there?” is that realy a question?

Act 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

Act 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

I can see were no one fell to the ground because of the light, but when they heard a voice, and saw no one, I think that would have scared me too.
In Acts 26 Paul gives the account to Agrippa, are you going to fault Paul for not being that exact with his decription? He did after all say, “when they were all fallen to the ground, “he heard” a voice”, which the others did not hear.
No contradiction hear either.

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Georg

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Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 13 2009,13:09)

Hi georg if you continue to beleive that the 144000 are all Jews from the nation of israel you fing you self saiyng that the apostel Paul is a liar, because he said that there is no more gentiles or greek or jews but true beleivers in Christ and God,and this could not be. also in the visions that John add the angel talking to him said 'come i will show you the things wath are now and wath has to come later' so be caution. In regards to EZE;5-1-2 it seems to me it refers to the babylonians invation i want to bring to your attention that after the door was open to the gentiles ,the people of God were the ones who obey is word,so if you beleive that israel is still is anoited people you make the apostels a group of liars and also IsiaH the prophete

terraricca

It seems to me this is what you were talking about a little while back.
How does believing the scriptures, make Paul a liar, or for that matter, any other prophet?
Are you not now referring to Rom. 11:28?
How can a covenant made with Abraham be a promise?

Georg

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terraricca

Yes, I'm sure Jesus knew that he would be greatly exaulted, after laying down his life for us.
Now I have another question, what does Mk. 10:43,44 and John 10:17,18 have to do wiyh anything?
I have no problem understanding the scriptures, what I don't understand is what you're trying to say.
They seem out of place, with no conection to anything.

Georg

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terraricca

I don't think I said that the fact Israel has become a Nation again has anythink to do with the “new” covenant, it had to do with the covenant God made with Abraham.

Georg

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terraricca

Well, what do you think a beast is?

Georg

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Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ Oct. 20 2009,09:31)

we will pray for as many as we can pray for my life its a bit hard now

we pray for you and your unborn child in Jesus name, Amen
Irene

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Joining in Prayers for all those who need healing, in Christ's name we pray, Amen.
Irene

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bod

I think you explained it yourself, just didn't realised it.

They heard “a” voice, but not “the voice” of him that spoke to Saul.

I'm ready.

Georg

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Quote (Stu @ Nov. 19 2009,16:55)

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 19 2009,16:28) hi stu i start to beiveving you are a mythological character because you ad gius like you all over in ancien egypt. but this does not make sense disscusing any thing with you ,you are right to your own eyes Is that an argument for the historicity of Noah? He certainly did not exist in the way portrayed in scripture, and he almost certainly is an invented character, whether or not he is based on a real human being. Stuart

Stu does not believe in the bible, he just reads it so he can argue about it for fun.

Georg

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Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 16 2009,08:31)

hi to all to me constantine is the man of lawlessness,and the antichrist fortold ,he represent ,babylon the greath,in Revelation,if you compere the babylon ot the time of Daniel ,these are very similar.in actions that is

terraricca

Give me the scriptures you're referring too.

Georg

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Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,00:53)

Quote (katjo @ Nov. 20 2009,12:52) God Is a title- FOR THE LORD! Hi Katjo, Lord is a title for owner, we all become owners with Christ. Eph.1:10 That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: GOD is a title for “YHVH”(God's Name), and He is both “LORD of Lords” and “KING of Kings”. The AKJV Bible used “LORD” as a replacement for יהוה God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

I wish you woiuld quote the Scriptures the way they are written.
LORD in capital letters is speaking of the Father and not Christ.
Also it does not say at the end – even Him, it says just-Him.
Adding to Scriptures???
Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings.  That is the correct way. Not LORD that is the Father. The Father never claimed to be Lord of Lords and King of Kings.  That is Jesus.
Irene

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Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 20 2009,20:44)

Quote (georg @ Nov. 20 2009,01:30) Quote (Gene @ Nov. 20 2009,15:58) Irene………..The Trinity and Preexistences are in the same BOAT, Both support each other. Trinitarians point to the idea that Jesus was a GOD and therefore created every thing and Had to preexist if He was the (CREATOR). This is Pure Blasphemer againt the truth. Give me (ONE) good reason for GOD to Kill and Son of His and cause Him to be reborn or recreated in the womb of Mary, That would Prove Nothing to humanity of what GOD can do for Us , and we can not say He was like us in every way, because that would be a lie he would not have been (exactly) like us in every way then would He. No GOD took an (ORDINARY) HUMAN BEING AND PERFECTED HIM TO DEMONSTRATE HIS PLAN AND WILL FOR ALL HUMANITY. Jesus was simply one of US Humans and nothing MORE and we can draw great courage and trust in GOD the FATHER by what He (GOD) did in HIM when we see Jesus exactly like we are.  Jesus was a work of GOD demonstrated for all HUMANITY. He is the same as we are in (EVERY) way, without exception. He is the (FIRSTBORN) OF (MANY) brethren , the FIRST to be BORN into the KINGDOM of GOD from MAN KIND, NOT REBORN INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD TWICE.  IMO love and peace to you and Georg………………………….gene Gene Calling Scripture Blaspheme is a hard thing to say, and not true. First of all Hebrew and John both tell us that Jesus is born of God.  When you are born, is your name the same then your Father is?   So is Jesus.  Knowing that God is a title, still you insist.  You just don't want to be wrong!!!! Also if you read on in Col. 1:8 it shows us that He also had preeminence, He was first in all.  First to be born of God and first to be resurrected from the death. Also God had to send His only begotten Son into the world, that through Him we might be saved.  No other could do the job.  Jesus never was one of us.  That too is a myth. Some people just don't want to learn.  I used to be just like you.  Thanks to God that He revealed truth to us.  Thats all, my friend. Irene Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence. Preeminence does not make him G-d: International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia: Preeminence: Pre-em’-i-nens: Superiority, especially in noble or excellent qualities. The word stands for: (1) mothar, “what is over and above,” “excellence”; “Man hath no preeminence above the beasts” (Ec 3:19); (2) proteuo, “to be first”; “That in all things he (= Christ) might have the preeminence” (Col 1:18); (3) ho philoproteuon, is translated “who loveth to have the preeminence,” literally “who loveth to be first” (of Diotrephes, 3 #Joh 1:9). He was loved by G-d to be the first. Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words: Strong's Number: g4409  Greek: proteuo Preeminence (To Have The): “to be first” (protos), “to be preeminent,” is used of Christ in relation to the Church, Col 1:18. Strong's Number: g5383  Greek: philoproteuo Preeminence (To Have The): lit., “to love to be preeminent” (philos, “loving”), “to strive to be first,” is said of Diotrephes, 3Jo 1:9.

Jesus never claimed to be God, however God Himself calls Him God in Hebrew 1:8
But to the Son He said:” Your Throne, O God is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
verse 9
You have loved righteousness and hated Lawlessness;
Therfore God Your God has anointed you with the oil of gladness more then Your companions.
That too goes with John !:1 were John calles Him the Word and God.
He is begotten of God and since God is a title I have no problem.
I do know that the Father is above all, like I stated before.

Preeminence means to be first in all.  He was the firstborn of all creation and firstborn of the death.
Col. 1:15-18
It is used not only to the relationship to the Church.  He was first in all.  That is what you are not claiming, but I do.

Your quote on 1John 1:9 says this:”Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God.  He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.”
Tell me something what does this verse have to do with the preexisting of Christ?

Irene

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Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 16 2009,14:31)

hi to all the scriptures said not everyone will see,hear,understand,there are precondition to recieve knowledge from God through Christ, it is simple to follow the readings of the scriptures it is in your language you understand the words you use dictionnary if you dont understand the meaning of the words,but is that all wath it takes to understand the word of God, remember this is not the word of men. to understand the word of God you have to know God and the one he has send.

funny you should bring up the dictionary, some people here don't like the dictionary, they hate the deffinition of “Father” and “Son”.

Georg

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