It’s not the geographical setting that matters here, but rather 👉the interpretation of a symbol

In the Hebrew Bible the term “the Great Sea” was a common name for the Mediterranean. For example, in Numbers 34:6, Joshua 1:4, and Ezekiel 47:10, the same phrase clearly refers to the Mediterranean coastline west of Israel. So geographically, the p…[Read more]

Hi Gene,

You: AND the second is “LIKE” unto it, ( but not the same). You shall love you neighbor as thyself .
The “Second” is not the same as the first, DANNY.

Me: Jesus Christ is in the first, because He is the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16

Hi Gene,

You: This is the way most churches exist today, they have replaced the love for, God the Father , for their LOVE FOR JESUS.

Me: We should love BOTH of them.
1 Corinthians 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

You said to DT: Even a loose cannon like yourself should be able to understand it.

Me: Good. But even you can’t understand the simple biblical fact that Jesus Christ died for our sins (1 Corinthians 15:3).

Don’t throw bricks when you live in a glass house…

You: Not that Jesus’ sacrifice itself forgives our sins…

Me: Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Hebrews 9:22 …without shedding of blood is no remission.

1 John 1:7 …the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Maybe this verse will convince you.
Romans 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, 👉we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,👈 much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

We were reconciled to God by the death of his Son.
Do you agree?

Hi Gene,

Revelation 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, 👉and washed us from our sins in his own blood,👈

Do you agree?

Hi Gene,

You said: Jesus’ life (his blood) was an example for the forgiveness of sins.

Me: The Bible says otherwise. Ephesians 1:7
In whom we have redemption through his blood, 👉the forgiveness of sins👈, according to the riches of his grace;

Amen.

Hi Nick and Gene,

The pre-existence of Jesus Christ is very important.
God gave us something that He already had and His love for us was shown in that act of giving.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever
believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
If He…[Read more]

We are no longer under any “law”, (forced compliance).

I thought you didn’t believe in free will?

You: Jesus did not die for anyone’s personal sin debt.

Me: For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 1 Corinthians 15:3

You: “MY SAVIOR AND JESUS’ SAVIOR IS GOD THE FATHER” , NONE OTHER.

Me: And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
1 John 4:14

Why are you always trying to make Jesus appear different then we are?  Jesus is the “first of many brethren to be born into the kingdom of God”, not the only one to be

Wrong!

If he existed in the form of God, then he is not like us. But if he further emptied himself and came in the flesh and lived as a baby, infant, teenager, man,…[Read more]

Danny do you know if you have recieved the , spirit of truth yet?

Yes, I gave my life to Jesus Christ when I was 16.

My answer to your objections:

Here’s an argument by William Carpenter from the year 1885:

If the Earth were a globe, there certainly would be—if we could imagine the thing to be peopled all round—“antipodes:” “people who,” says the dictionary, “living exactly on the opposite side of the globe to ourselves, have their feet op…[Read more]

Danny: @t8 @genebalthrop

Yes, God called the raqia heaven. But there are three heavens. (2 Corinthians 12:2)
I agree with Mike and Berean that the raqia is not the highest heaven.

Yes.  When God created the raqia and named it heaven, it was the ONLY heaven.  As time went by, God’s people started differentiating between place where the clouds are…[Read more]

Yes, God called the raqia heaven. But there are three heavens. (2 Corinthians 12:2)
I agree with Mike and Berean that the raqia is not the highest heaven.

Hi Proclaimer and Gene,

This image will explain everything accurate:

Hi Proclaimer and Gene,

I will give you the argument which totally destroys the globe lie.
I said it many times. Let me repeat it one last time:
The idea that people are standing, ships are sailing and planes are flying upside down on certain parts of Earth while others tilted at 90 degrees and all other impossible angles is…[Read more]

Proclaimer: Yes @genebalthrop

Mike is delusional.

Says the guy who just made this argument…

Proclaimer:  There is also the fact that the small ball is attached to a rod in this device, so it would eventually reach a point of maximum closeness because of that.

Really?  Um… if the thread (not rod) to which the small ball is attached can aff…[Read more]

You are defending these liars:

We are NOT Satan’s minsters.
All you can do is to insult us.

I agree that the flat earth is of Satan becsuse the devil is the father of lies.

But many other lies are espoused herw and the purpose of the forums is to debunk them and let truth shine its light.

But like most subjects discussed here over the years I tend to debate them fully and when all has been debunked, I create a writing…[Read more]

reposted for your convenience Gene, please answer this:

Gene,

Please tell us what is the name of the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON referred to here as spoken by Jesus:

John 3:16

For God so loved the world that He gave the only begotten Son, so that everyone believing in Him should not perish, but should have eternal life.17For God did not…[Read more]

Proclaimer.  THEY SAW HE ASEND UP alright,  HE died and decended into a grave and rose up where he was before,  where they saw him before, he died.

Incorrect
This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like the bread the fathers ate, and died. Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” Jesus said these things in the synagogue, as he ta…[Read more]

EDj……No , such thing exists as a Will that is free

13 I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites,
in my realm, which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.
Ezra 7:12-13 (KJV)

Rev 19:13………“and he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood and his name is, “CALLED”,  the word of God”.

Show us where it says ‘ he “IS” the word of God.  Saying I never address scriptures is just another of you false accusations of people here .

God created the universe through his Son.

God created the universe through Jesus…[Read more]

In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
2 Cor 13:1 (KJV)

13 I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites,
in my realm, which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.
Ezra 7:12-13 (KJV)

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we…[Read more]

Gene,

Philippians 3:20 “For our citizenship exists in heaven, from which also we eagerly await for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,”

I hope you will not reject the Lord Jesus Christ as the Savior.

God bless.

Gene, 2 Timothy 1:10 says …our Saviour Jesus Christ…
Can you say “our Saviour Jesus Christ”?

This will be my last question.

God bless you.

Gene, How do you understand 1 John 4:14?
“And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.”

God bless you, brother.

Have you acknowledged your error here yet?

Proclaimer……Remember Daniel was already existing in the First kingdom of Gold, when he was given that prophecy , so if he were predicting future events, he was not speaking about the kingdom he was already in. He meant Four “more ” to come .

There are 4 metals and 4 beasts.…[Read more]

Hey guys! and everyone else I didn’t mention,

Irenaeus wrote around AD 185 and mentions John 1:1 five times.
In one reference he comments, “‘and the Word was God,’ of course, for that which is begotten of God is God.”
Irenaeus understood Jesus as more than “a god” or a divine bein…[Read more]

Why are you obsessed with flesh? It seems your doctrine is the doctrine of flesh.

Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.

Gene,

I have found a very clear quote from Irenaeus.
He said in his Book Against Heresies, 4.5.2.
“Christ Himself, therefore, together with the Father, is the God of the living, who spoke to Moses, and who was also manifested to the fathers.”

What about that?
If you reject that, then you are cherry picking.
That’s not very hones…[Read more]

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
John 14:6

Gene…..I read Adam’s posts.
He clearly denies that Jesus is the Messiah.
Why do you defend him?
I don’t understand you at all.

Mike…..there is not a single scripture that “says” Jesus “existed before Abraham ” not one.  Lets just start with that first,

There is no single scripture that says that Jesus was created in the time of the Roman Empire either.

Other scriptures completely debunk you Gene. What you say is false. God created all things through the f…[Read more]

No one text anywhere say a “PREEXISTING ” being has been “morphed” into a human body that i know of at least.

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Thanks for your posts.
I have to make a deep research.

Goodbye and God bless.

Danny

He was and had to be ‘exactly” like us in “every way”

I agree with that.
That’s what Hebrews 2:17 says.

God bless,

Danny

Gene and Jodi,

Maybe you are right that Jesus started His life as a human being.
Born of the Holy Spirit from Mary.
I have to research this.
Thanks for your posts.

God bless,

Danny

Danny…..question, in what way did “one mans sin, make “all” men sinners? Why was I made a sinner , because of Adam, ? Better yet in what way , was I “made” a-sinner because of what Adam did? Please try to be clear on this question ok?

Well, I don’t have all the answers.
All I know is that the God of the Bible is just and righteous.

Danny…..question, in what way did “one mans sin, make “all” men sinners? Why was I made a sinner , because of Adam, ? Better yet in what way , was I “made” a-sinner because of what Adam did? Please try to be clear on this question ok?

Romans 5:18
“So then as through one trespass, all men
were condemned; even so through one act of…[Read more]

Gene: Well, it is one sentence.
“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us…”
Who dwelt among us?
“and we beheld His glory…”
Whose glory?
“the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.”
This is clearly talking about Jesus!

Gene,

John 1:14 clearly identifies Jesus as the Word.
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father
and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only…[Read more]

Danny……the word “before”, Used there, meant Jesus was “greater” in importance then Abraham was.

That’s not true.
The word “before” in John 8:58 is Strong’s Greek: 4250. πρίν (prin) — 13 Occurrences

Matthew 1:18 Adv
GRK: τῷ Ἰωσήφ πρὶν ἢ συνελθεῖν
NAS: to Joseph, before they came together
KJV: to Joseph, before they
INT: t…[Read more]

There is not a single scripture that shows any activity of him until after his birth on this earth.

Gene, you are wrong.
John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”
Before Abraham was (past tense), Jesus is (present tense). Jesus was claiming pre-existence.
Notice Jesus didn’t say, “Tr…[Read more]

@genebalthrop

Gene, No one denies the spirit of God the Father.
But Jesus himself has a spirit too – the spirit of Christ.
See Galatians 4:6!
We need BOTH. See John 14:23!

God bless,

Danny

Good Job Danny!

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me,
he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and
WE will come unto him, and m…[Read more]